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I don't see how this is legal, but people on Tik Tok peddling miracle "medicine" are becoming more common every day. No FDA approval, no research. Just their marketing hype and false promises. This one, lady is showing some sort of probiotic and claiming it can help people suffering from severe acid reflux and gastrointestinal reflux disease or GERD, replacing medicine that has been tested for decades.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 184 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This was all made legal in the Dietary Supplement and Health Education Act of 1994.

Before that, everythimg required FDA approval, but now if it says "natural" or "not intended to treat any condition" on the side, you can bottle and sell your own piss if you've got a good enough sales pitch

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The important takeaway from this is that “supplements” have 0 oversight. The CBD, probiotics, vitamin d, etc that you buy could just be capsules of vegetable oil that does nothing at all. Or they could be asbestos and cyanide for all you know (that probably would lead to an investigation though). There’s also no safety regarding packing and handling, so it might literally be a guy with unwashed hands who just picked his butt loading your gelcaps in a dirty bathroom that someone just took a massive shit in. No one checks and verifies any of this and that’s why shills and hucksters jump onto this shit, it’s a completely unregulated market where can cut corners everywhere and say whatever you want as long as you include *not intended to treat any diseases and not evaluated by the fda

A $1200 thing you buy on instagram that sends “good waves” to your brain? Supplement. The cbd you buy at the gas station? Supplement. Doterra oils? Supplement. No regulation, no oversight, just robbing people based on their desperation to fix chronic pain and mental illness

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

So the CBD thing really bugs me, in particular.

One of my medications has one of those warnings about how you can't have grapefruit while taking this medication. That's because grapefruit is metabolized on a certain enzyme pathway that gets interrupted. That enzyme pathway is CYP3A4.

You know what else takes that enzyme pathway? Fucking CBD. It also blocks the enzyme pathway, making any drugs administered less effective because they can't bind to where they need to because the CBD molecule is already there, taking up space.

So like, for me, these are life saving medications so fucking around with this is really stupid but literally no doctor told me this. I accidentally figured this out while doing research on CBD. It seems like its becoming more publicized now, but the bottom line is this:

If you have medication that warns you that you should not eat grapefruit with this medication (about 60% of medications, I believe), that medication needs the same warning about CBD.

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/cannabidiol-presents-conundrums

Upon further evaluation, it was shown that CYP3A4 and CYP2C19 are the 2 major enzymes responsible for the metabolism of CBD; they are also responsible for the metabolism of many different drugs.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It only makes prodrugs that first need to be metabolized by CYP3A4 to be active less effective. This is a pretty small minority of drugs. It makes drugs that are inactivated by CYP3A4 more effective, which is the majority of them. It also only competitively inhibits the enzyme while the drug is in your system, it’s not permanently inhibiting the enzyme like a suicide inhibitor.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

so grapefruit can either increase or decrease your metabolism rate of some drugs. It doesn't just block it entirely.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can actually find small bottles of water on Amazon marketed as a miracle cure.

[–] thurstylark@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just stay away from nearly anything that uses "healing ions" in its marketing material. If it's not a straight-up fake product, it'll likely kill you in due time. (Ozone generators are an exception unless you get a beefy one like mine, and then it can actually kill you.)

Edit: lol! I have seen that video and made my comment about ions before I clicked it. Good video, btw. 5 stars.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What I don't get about these products, is the use of radioactive material intentional? Do the people making this shit do it with the intention of giving people rings covered in thorium? If not, then why does it happen? Is the manufacturing process just so sketchy that it somehow gets cross contamination with actual fucking nuclear reactor fuel?

[–] SweatyFireBalls@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

When we were first learning about it, there were some misconceptions about radioactivity and health. There were even business minded individuals who widely sold it as a miracle cure. This public belief was reinforced by the fact that around that time we discovered hot springs have radioactive elements, (and people have always believed hot springs heal your ailments) which lead to a mass conception radioactivity was actually a miracle cure. A large part of that down fall was when the "Radium Girls" started literally dying because they were told it was totally safe to work with radioactive material, began falling apart and then worked for legal pushback.

I'm not an expert on the matter, so I might be a little off but that is a good overview on why some people have that belief still. As always it's shitty people looking to make money off of hype. The Radium Girls had a tragic but ultimately fascinating life/story. They would even rub the material on their teeth to glow. Check it out if you're interested.

[–] CulturedLout@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Wow. You'd think "natural" would be more heavily regulated since a lot of people consider it to be a synonym for "harmless" (I am not one of them)