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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What does any of that have to do with Judge Jackson? Just explain why Judge Jackson is the sort of SCOTUS justice Trump would have picked since both parties are the same.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What does any of that have to do with Judge Jackson?

We would have more Judge Jacksons on the court if the Dem Senate had played hardball with Republican Presidents. And taking Thomas out of circulation in 1991 would have changed the Bush v Gore decision in 2000, which would have meant President Al Gore seating even more Judge Jacksons in his subsequent terms.

No Thomas means no Bush Jr. No Bush Jr means no gerrymandering greenlit by Ashcroft's DOJ. Which would have promised more state level liberal courts in places like Texas and Wisconsin (ie, more state court Judge Jacksons). Which would have curbed the rise of white nationalism following Obama's election in 2008. No GOP capture of Florida through mass disenfranchisement of black voters. No extended legacy of GOP rule in Georgia, for the same reasons. No War on Immigration in Arizona and Colorado and Texas, forcing those states farther and farther to the right. All of which would have precluded a Trump presidency in 2016.

No Trump means we don't have to worry about who he'd pick for SCOTUS.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is still not an explanation for why judge Jackson would be the sort of SCOTUS judge Trump would pick if both parties are the same.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its an explanation for why a judge approved by Joe Biden is going to give us another Trump presidency.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn't ask for that explanation.

If you aren't able to explain why Trump would pick a justice like Jackson when both parties are the same, just say so.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t ask for that explanation.

Because you don't want Joe Biden carrying any culpability for the current 6-3 Conservative Majority.

We've got multiple Republican SCOTUS nominees who took office on his watch. We know what that leads to, because we know the outcome of Bush v Gore. We know what eight years of Bush did to the country and how it led directly to the election of Trump.

So why would four more years of Biden - a man who gave us the courts that gave us Bush and Trump - produce a majority of Judge Jacksons? He appears far better at seating judges like Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why can't you just admit you won't give me the explanation I asked for a long time ago?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why would I want a President who put Thomas on the bench?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not relevant to what I asked. If you can't answer what I asked, I'm not going to talk to you about anything else, sorry.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A Democrat who concedes to Republican threats will be as likely to put a guy like Thomas up as Trump would. We got lucky with Jackson, but Biden's clearly in a state of deterioration. Very likely we end up with him compromising us down to another Thomas or ACB in his second term, as he and his friends on the Judiciary committee are known to do.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wish you would just admit you can't answer what I asked.

For the very last time and please just answer and stop moving the goalposts: If the parties are the same, why would Trump have chosen Jackson as a SCOTUS justice?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If the parties are the same, why would Trump have chosen Jackson as a SCOTUS justice?

Ask Bush Sr why he picked David Souter. I have no idea why he'd pick a justice like Jackson, but conservatives picking liberal judges has been known to happen.

All I know is that - between Biden Democrats and Trump Republicans - we've had a stacked conservative court despite Democrats holding the Presidency for twice as long. This would suggest that both parties endorse a conservative majority on the courts.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea why he’d pick a justice like Jackson

If the parties were both the same, you would have an idea since it would be the same reason Biden did it. But you can't say that since you know Trump would not pick a left-wing black woman for a justice as that is absolutely absurd.

So thank you for proving my point.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If the parties were both the same, you would have an idea

That's nonsense. Can you explain how Bush Sr picked both Souter and Thomas? He's the same guy, so explaining the gulf between the candidates should be easy.

But you can’t say that since you know Trump would not pick a left-wing black woman

Bush Jr picked liberal feminist Harriet Myers less than a month before he switched to rabid conservative fanatic Samuel Alito. Myers was shot down by Biden's judiciary committee. Can you explain that?

Can you explain the gulf between Merrick Garland and Sonya Sotomayer? Both Obama nominees. How about the distance between Sandra Day O'Conner and Robert Bork? Both Reagan nominees.

You don't know your judicial history. You certainly don't know how Trump or Biden make political decisions.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Souter and Thomas were right-wing and calling Harriet Miers a feminist or even suggesting she is a capable justice on the level of justice Jackson is proof that you are not serious.

Again- if the parties are the same, Trump and Biden would have the same reason to pick her.

Which you are claiming is not the case.

Which, again, proves my point.

Either they are the same or they're not the same. You want it both ways.

And no, I'm not going to explain anything while you insist on having it both ways, sorry.

But... since you know your judicial history and know why they pick justices, you can still explain what that same reason is.

So what is it?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Souter and Thomas were right-wing

Souter was a reliable liberal vote for the entirety of his term on the bench. And he was from the same Harvard legal school that dominates the Supreme Court to this day.

calling Harriet Miers a feminist or even suggesting she is a capable justice on the level of justice Jackson

This is gibberish. She's not a feminist? She's not capable of the level of justice? What on earth are you even talking about? Miers had been a sponsor of the Women's Studies department at HBU since the 90s, ran multiple successful legal firms hearing cases at all levels of the judiciary in both Texas and California, and headed up the Texas State Bar before joining Bush Jr as his personal lawyer. She was right in line with conservative Democrats appointed by Carter, Clinton, and Obama, and could easily have stood in for Ruth Bader Ginsberg or Ketanji Brown Jackson as a professional judge.

Either they are the same or they’re not the same

They are the same. They consistently put up candidates from the same insular club of Harvard Ivy League SCOTUS clerks. When Presidents step outside of line - as with the Miers nomination or the Bork nomination - the Senate reins them back in, regardless of the quality of the candidate.

since you know your judicial history and know why they pick justices, you can still explain what that same reason is.

There's your reasoning. Its the Biden Judiciary that controls who has sat the bench and who has been disqualified for the last 40 years. And that's why the SCOTUS sucks today. Jackson is not exemplary. She's just another Harvard lemming, groomed to strictly defer to conservative hegemony that dominates legal jurisprudence.

Trump may well pick someone outside that niche, but the Senate will kill the nomination and force him back into his lane. Then he'll queue up yet one more cloistered nun of the Harvard Law Review, just like his peers in the Democratic Party.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You find me one feminist who agrees with your assessment of Harriet Miers and we'll move on from there.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You find me one feminist who agrees with your assessment of Harriet Miers

Church Ladies vs Harriet Miers

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Christian Feminism Today."

Are you fucking serious?

No, no you're not. Because the entire argument that article makes for her being a feminist is her weakly indicating she wasn't entirely anti-abortion.

Either you didn't think I'd read that or you have an incredibly misogynistic idea of what a feminist is.

So I think there's no point in continuing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Are you fucking serious?

My guy, you want news stories from a twenty year old story via a search engine that doesn't work. This is what you get. I'm sorry I couldn't find Gloria Steinem's "In defense is Harriet Miers" LiveJournal page, that URL was beyond me.

Because the entire argument that article makes for her being a feminist is her weakly indicating she wasn’t entirely anti-abortion.

You're being nakedly dishonest. The article lauds her intelligence and independence and concludes she was ousted for being an unreliable conservative block vote.

This is exactly why both parties keep returning to the Harvard Law Review well when selecting candidates. Any deviance from that singular legal institution is intolerable.

It's central to the case that both of these parties are putting up the same people.