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[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Nature vs nurture" is an old debate that has not yet been concluded and data is hard to obtain. But it seems at the moment that how you training and upbringing has more impact on how an animal develops.

Also, i was more speaking ofphysical traits like a flat back for shepards or stubby noses for pugs etc. Generally, "purebred" pets are far more prone to develop detrimental traits and illnesses, i don't see it worth the risk and more like torture than anything else.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But it seems at the moment that how you training and upbringing has more impact on how an animal develops.

Is this take based on anything? There are significant and specific behavioral differences between dog breeds.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it is based on this.

Dog breed stereotypes are frequently used to inform people’s expectations about canine behavior, despite evidence that breed is largely uninformative in predicting individual dog behavior.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the article. From further down the introduction:

This is despite numerous studies demonstrating that variability within a breed is greater than among breeds7,11,12. While heritability for certain behavioral traits such as human sociability and biddability have been convincingly demonstrated7,13,14, breed is largely uninformative when it comes to predicting behavior in an individual dog7.

So it looks like while breed stereotypes might not be helpful in predicting an individual dog's behavior, they could still have an effect on the average behavior of that breed. I'll have to look more into this, the subject is less concluded than I had thought.

Edit: It looks like this study is just self-reporting on how people feel about different breeds?

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Edit: It looks like this study is just self-reporting on how people feel about different breeds?

It is, but the statement I cited is not a conclusion of this study but a reason why the study was conducted. The study itself wants to learn how strong the bias is that leads to these stereotypes, because one of the issues of gathering data is bias. Basically, people buy certain breeds expecting a certain behavior and then train these breeds to express said behavior, which makes it difficult to examine whether said behavior is due to the nature or nurtured or how big a role either plays.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Ah, I see. Still, that doesn't really say anything either way about the actual behavioral differences between dogs (and the studies they cited are blocked for me-- thanks, Elsevier!)

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Basically, people buy certain breeds expecting a certain behavior and then train these breeds to express said behavior, which makes it difficult to examine whether said behavior is due to the nature or nurtured or how big a role either plays.

All the authors need to do is go to a handful of working dog breeders and watch the puppies. They will see quite clearly that breeding dogs for traits works.