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The Tiananmen Square "Massacre" Never Happened (www.youtube.com)

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[–] farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

As Communists, do we really have to obsess over blood-for-blood violence? Applying this to the Brits justifies the complete genocide of the British people, given the starvation that occurred in India during colonialism.

I'm currently in China. Defending the party goes as far as saying "if the Party had a secure way to avoid civilian deaths without compromising the Revolution, it would have done so, but it had no choice. The loss of life is truly regrettable, on both sides." We don't need to say the protesters deserved it (although Chai Ling probably did, but she got out without a scratch.)

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

The loss of life is truly regrettable, on both sides.” We don’t need to say the protesters deserved it (although Chai Ling probably did, but she got out without a scratch.)

Thats a good way to put it honestly, but yeah I wouldnt go as far as to say 'they deseved it' but more, what did they expect to happen?

You lynch a police officer who didnt have a gun you better expect the military to get involved, where is the sympathy for the dead civil servants who where making good faith attempts at peacefully de-escelating the situation?

As Communists, do we really have to obsess over blood-for-blood violence? Applying this to the Brits justifies the complete genocide of the British people, given the starvation that occurred in India during colonialism.

Im really not obsessed over it, just if in a communist state you have rioters killing people 'die by the sword' starts to become a reality, you cant take a life and expect a peacefull response by any state. Personal accountability for the protestors exists as much as it did for the state in this situation.

[+] farmer_of_song@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

What about the comrades who fight brutal and racist cops in America or Europe? Ideally, the persons responsible for the violence should be sent to Reform-Through-Labor for a long, long period of time, if the courts don't sentence them to death.

Use of the military only shows that Zhongnanhai was really scared, and that the protests had gotten out of control.

Anyways, I'd like to end it here and leave you the last word, as we are really deep in the comment chain. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to refine my thoughts on this subject.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago

What about the comrades who fight brutal and racist cops in America or Europe?

People over here moan so hard they support arresting 10,000's of peacefull protestors before they even leave there houses lol.

Like thats what im getting at really, the public would be fully behind any state repression. And yeah if I was a communist, in a communist country, and my civil servants are being lynched?

I wouldnt expect anything but de-escelation, but lets not be naive and suggest the CPC should have done nothing in response, people had guns and where killing indiscriminatly, it had stopped being a protest and looked more like a coup.

Where that line gets drawn ultimtely comes down to is ideology, im not giving my life for a liberal project, I do support socialists.