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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Note that these rules also restrict people who have homes too. No one can have a party in the park after hours or take up a ton of space on the subway. Note also that you can sleep outside if you don’t get in the way.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This doesn't apply because the law doesn't forbid anyone from sleeping under bridges. Also, you can get housing for free. That's my point. It's the opposite of that quote. Unless you're pro-theft or something.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am not sure what the housing situation is actually like for homeless in NYC because I've never spoken to anyone there who experienced it. I don't take your word for it that it's good or ethical.

I am not protheft. I'm not wealthy like that. https://www.edelson-law.com/blog/2022/10/wage-theft-outpaces-all-other-theft-in-america/

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are a ton of articles on it. The system is huge and has been around for decades. Look it up if you like. If you don't care, don't.

No one said it was good at all. It's a necessary service in a big city. Obviously some shelters are very different from others. None of them are at nice hotels, but you can get your own room and a place for some of your stuff.

The major complaints are usually "it's too small" or "they don't let me have pets". Guess what? There are actual apartments people pay for that are too small and don't allow pets. It's NYC.

I'm talking about reality in this century. You're quoting an 1800s writer from another country. The system is a complicated solution to a complicated problem. So there's not going to be any simple answer, and definitely not from online quotes.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

If you lack a sense of humor and can't see how close your quote was to his, that's fine. It was funny to me and maybe others. That you haven't learned something people were joking about hundreds of years ago is kinda on you.

The effects of violating these fair and just laws - do they impact the homeless and the housed the same? Do the laws, say, give fines based on income? Or do they give preferential treatment to people with better, often more expensive lawyers?

But no, your statement wasn't silly at all. The law is totally fair to the poor and wealthy alike.

I would have to talk to a homeless person who was homeless recently in NYC and used these programs to assess them.

Where should they leave their pets, ESAs, and service dogs when they stay in the shelter? Do you think roaming packs of dogs at night would be good?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's a glowed up version of "The law binds both rich and poor equally". A transparently untrue statement that's meant to draw attention to laws that are a mere inconvenience for the rich but seriously hurt the poor.