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Biden says it’s ‘time to outlaw’ AR-15 after Trump assassination attempt
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Is this what your life is like?
Soon to be "our". And not just in America, unfortunately.
I don't think you know what the world is like outside your gun nut bubble.
Then you should probably be a little less judgy about what folks think they need to do to defend themselves within that bubble.
Since you aren't from the US, you may not be aware of Project 2025, but "some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch" is a plausible eventual outcome for many over here if Trump gets in again.
no, he shouldn't be. folks in gun nut bubble don't need to defend themselves, they are just gun nuts, that's the whole point of the argument 😆
Hey I've got news for you - all the US is the gun nut bubble, and we all take the impacts from it, whether we own guns or not. You may have heard about our problems with school shootings, for example, or our police who are convinced everyone wants to kill them, and so open fire at the slightest provocation....
hey, i've got news for you as well - more guns is not a solution to the problem. more guns is the problem.
https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10259683/mother_jones_gun_deaths_by_state.png
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/america-mass-shooting-gun-violence-statistics-charts
No one seems to get that I'm neither a gun owner nor enthusiast, but go ahead, keep them coming.
Maybe it is because no one cares what you are, and react to what you say.
They should react to what I'm saying and not what they think I am then.
How often are you shot at? Have many enemies trying to kill you? Grow up.
I'm not even a gun owner buddy, but I'm not going to pretend the world is going to stay safe for everyone who isn't (or can't pretend to be) a white cishet christian if Project 2025 comes to pass.
Edit: They are already ramping it up more, as if that were possible. They want to be ready to hit the ground running on Day 1 of Trump's second term. https://www.advocate.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-rnc
Yeah a ton of people will lose their rights with project 2025, but how does having a gun help you fix that? Are you talking about like civilization declining into groups of people killing each other in the streets?
Have you not followed the context of this discussion that led to this seeming disagreement we're now having? Please note, I am not the commenter in the picture below. I was explaining why someone would have this worry. If you think the worry is invalid or overblown, OK, I don't feel the need to argue with you about it.
I'm saying I dont see how guns will help you there either unless you plan to form your own militia I suppose.
Besides this is all based on unfounded fears, which I prefer not to base my decisions on. Seat belts make sense. Most examples of gun ownership do not.
While owning a gun might make someone feel safer, it absolutely increases the danger for those living in and around the house. I'm sure some situations mitigate that problem, and we could likely license those people to have guns.
Suburban family of four does not need a rifle and handgun for each family member. Its far more likely to hurt someone in the family than to be used in a defensive manner. Besides the fact that guns are stolen ALL THE TIME and then used in violent crimes.
The way we treat guns does not respect the power they provide and the multitude of uses they have, good or bad. People also have some false belief that making guns harder to get and more expensive would only affect legal owners. When a gun on the street goes for 300$ now its far easier to buy than if that same gun was worth 1000$ or 10000$, and contrary to popular belief people with severe mental disorders are not the target customer for a street dealer selling a gun.
If you want an argument about gun ownership you are talking to the wrong guy.
As to the rest - you can read the writing on the wall about what happens in the next Trump presidency or you can ignore it. I can't blame someone for wanting a better chance at self defense under those conditions though.
Gun nut? I'm not replying regarding guns, but the rise of right wing nationalism
Ours are already. You pay us, mexicans, 16x times less the salary of an american citizen (for the same product, quality, service, time and efficiency) just for being mexican. A lot of us are dying out of poverty, violence is increasing and so on. We could've used that extra flow of income to lift the country up, but you preferred to keep us bent over in a ditch.
This form of racism and assholery, I have personally experienced it a lot with christofascists and republicans. They think they are the shit, the best, above everyone else, their ego is so fucking inflated, their patriotism too and so is their greed.
Yeah dude, that life is already here and it's touching your ankles already. Look at all those drugs addicts and young people with no homes in your country. You consider them a pest, annoying, disgusting, a nuisance, but they are your children lol, your people. Your lack of humanity is what creates and inspires people like our local narcos to poison you with fentanyl and more. Thank you, dude, for being so evil, for not having the empathy to think or imagine what's it like for those that are so close to you. Maybe someday you or your children will taste it too, I hope.
I'm with you until the last part, I've tasted it, and I wouldn't wish it on DJT himself. I understand the emotion, but there's a better way homie
Hey, I appreciate you at least. At my old job they had a big office in Monterrey, and they were some of the most hard working teams I had the pleasure to work with. I absolutely lost my shit if anyone treated them any differently and I hated how the company ran that division. Working with those teams is the only thing I miss.
The fact that they always had to get permission for any time off from the team leads, were scrutinized for every cent, and often not even given the tools they needed for their job, all in the name of "saving" money, was absolute bullshit. There really were some ridiculous double standards. We never denied time off and purchased what you needed. We knew how shitty the system was and did what we could.
So, one shitty American to an awesome Mexican, thank you. For every cook, every maid, field slave, factory worker, engineer, installer, and human from your country that just wants to exist somewhere safe, feed their family, and have a roof over your head, thank you.
do you plan to resolve any of your problems, real or perceived, with ar15?
If brown shirts start lynching my neighbors for being a certain race, do you have any better suggestions? Should I scold them, ever so sternly?
here, you can run in circles yourself, you don't need me for that.
https://lemm.ee/post/37269870/13324037
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Thanks for not even considering what I asked.
reload, or fix your instance redirect, or w/e, and you'll see i did
I don't see a reason to bother.
and i do believe you you don't really see it 😆 the fact you don't understand why it is funny makes it even funnier 😂
Ok, whatever.
So what should I do if white supremacists start hanging minorities again? Serious question for which I would honestly appreciate a serious response.
"Ok, whatever." said person who in ten seconds demanded "serious response" 😂
Yeah I asked you a question, and you went down this weird rabbit hole instead. I don't know what you're talking about and I don't care. But I asked you a serious question before that, and you've avoided it entirely.
Good day to you.
why have you asked serious question if you don't care what i am talking about?
we are talking about a fact that people fighting for their lives in ukraine and some redneck joe who needs automatic weapon as a fashion accessory to his monster truck are two different groups, where one of them needs the weapon and the other one does not.
you are desperately trying to steer the discussion away to bullshit details by pretending to have deep interest in whether the people fighting for their life should be called military or not and demanding "serious answers".
here is the serious answer.
guerilla in ukraine needs the weapons, no matter how it is called.
redneck joe doesn't need and shouldn't have the weapons, because - ding ding ding - he is likely to be the fascist you are so afraid of. if you think you will fix the problem by throwing more guns into it, think again.
not one time in the history of mass shootings in the us was "bad guy with weapon" stopped by "good guy with weapon". your illusion you will protect yourself is just that, an illusion. if someone decides to kill you, he will shoot you in the back and you will not see that coming.
i don't have a solution to fucking us weapon problem, if i had, i would be collecting my nobel peace prize. but it is experimentally proven that more weapons is not a solution to a problem - more weapons is the fucking problem.