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And I am complicit with this, and all the support Australia gives to US and israel by paying my taxes. As some @#$!#$ from the government said when censoring the protests, "Australia is a peace loving country".

Is there anything I can do other than just leave? I love living here, but this military fetish gives me constant guilt and anxiety of being here because I know I'm supporting that, and who knows how many people were killed using my work, to then later on get a monument erected praising the fact...

Thanks for the info. Though what I wanted to post was asking about the protests, which zero_gravitas answered.

I wish I could do something about people using facebook/instagram.... What I can see is very limited. But thanks a lot! From the thumbnails I got the location. I will try to go. The APAN website seems to have better info. I saw that website before but got confused. There are many websites and it's hard to tell what's more "official".

Regarding posting here, I don't have the energy for that. I learned a lot from the last post, but it's very exhausting when I have a polemic opinion and I get a bunch of people against me. And like a guy said there, I may just be the problem. Either way with the links you gave me I now know where to look. So thanks again!

Where do you get that info? I'm trying to find but searching online just gives me zionist news like abc and so on. I imagine it's all on facebook which I don't use. Even searching on lemmy I only find news about the conflict. I imagine mods don't allow support for protests, even though I thought lemmy would be the ideal place to post about this.

I thought of making a topic about it but i fear i might just get banned, since my previous post against military wasn't exactly well received.

Anyway, do you know where it will be?

Yes. And I'm considering that.

Thanks for respectfully disagreeing. Yes, as I said on other post, the term I use is not quite right, but it's how I see it. I just fundamentally see these things in a different way. What you guys see as mourning I see as celebration. But I do understand the intention.

I believe I will learn to see past it (though for 10 years I haven't yet). But if I found my objective it would be a nice bonus.

And thanks, it is genuine. I traveled dozens of thousands of km looking for my ideal town, which I still hope to find!

Thanks! That seems like a very useful idea and I'll look into it. I'll research new towns tomorrow.

The thing is a mental gimnastics. Personally Australian view and involvement with war, very much specially the newer invasions, bother me a lot. I feel guilty living here and my taxes funding an american invasion. To me the fact they get away with it comes from the respect Australians have for the military. But if I do something about it (like going back) I'll be the only affected and nothing changes. So I want to pretend it's not true. Live a lie. And if I can find a town without names of it, it's easier to lie to myself. But if I go to the park and it shows the military worship, I will inevitably remember the truth.

It's far fetched, but I think it can work.

Sorry, I exagerated a lot. But yes, I've seen quite a few towns where it seems like the memorial was the biggest public investment in the town.

Exaggerations my search is still the same. But yes, as eureka says, there are some pretty big ones. Luckily some times some big ones that are unrelated to war, but very rare. Like Barcaldine I think, where there is a very big and beautiful monument to worker's strikes. I was very surprised when I saw it and found it's not military.

Sorry, you wrote a lot and I feel disrespectful not to answer, but you are really seeing this in a very emotional and deep manner. It would end up being just a fight. I am not trying to offend you and what you consider important. You just have to understand that others might not find it as important for various reasons.

There would be much I could talk about, but better not to let this get emotional. I am just looking for a place, not trying to change how anyone sees the issue.

Another user mentioned his town have monuments built in 80s. I believe a number of them built monuments just because there is a consensus that you have to do it. It became like an unwritten law (I think it's actually a law). You have to build monuments, you have to keep remembering, you can't question it. If you do you are a traitor and deserve consequences. The usual issue with patriotism of any kind. If you are not with us, you are with them.

And yes, the specific things that need to be remembered and all the rest that can be forgotten. It is the base of my problem with the memorials. "Remember this, don't mind the rest" Police, doctors, every day people who give their lives for something don't get monuments and the rules that defines what does troubles me.

Thank you for the very neutral answer. I would say it's the most respectful position I ever heard an Australian saying.

The thing with gravestones is that; 1- They eventually get forgotten. You can't remember every dead person forever, you can't remember every war (what about with the aboriginals? why is that forgotten?). No "lest we forget" stuff, and it's been long enough. 2- Any event related to it is almost always hurtful, said, and can't be manipulated. You suffer visiting the grave of your loved ones. You don't celebrate. And you don't make one in every corner and ignore every other people who died. I have always heard Australians talking about pain regarding remembering, I have never seen anyone or any event even remotely giving that feeling. (RSL with gambling and drinking? whould you do that to remember you dead son?). So as I said before, if there noble intentions with these things, they don't seem to have ever happened or everything I saw was an exception.

But regardless, it's a war where you go to kill people. Your intentions are noble and so does the "enemy" thinks as well. I feel uncomfortable with any monuments to that, justified or not. But again, that's just me. I understand the reasons even if they don't seem to work in the end to me.

By all means defend yourself you're invaded. Just never (to me) let you going there to kill the guy who invaded be celebrated.

Edit, ah, I didn't want to say my country of origin because I didn't want it to affect opinions (I could be from Iraq, who knows?) But it's Brazil. Brazil did send people to the war, but it's a very religious country, so most monuments are for religion, while here it's war. In fact to me war seemed like Australian's religion.