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sure, a ton of trans peopIe have executive dysfunction and dont want anything to do with their surgeons post surgery, are you suggesting the 36% who were Iost to foIIow up were going to diverge wiIdIy from the resuIts recovered from those who did respond?

So bring your studies to the table that show what you think is reality.

I brought you a conclusive and accepted study looking at 27 studies over many years and it shows extremely low regret rate.

You question it why?

A very small minority of transgender people detransition, and out of those that do the majority do so for lack of support form family, community, and from transphobia from the general public.

https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf

2015 Survey of 28,000 transgender people:

Overall asked if they had ever detransitioned 8% said yes.

Transgender women were more likely to report having de-transitioned (11%), in contrast to transgender men (4%). Rates of de-transitioning also differed by race and ethnicity, with American Indian (14%), Asian (10%), and multiracial (10%) respondents reporting the highest levels of de- transitioning - which aligns with cultural pressures from family and community.

Most reported they then went on to then go on to retransition later.

The reasons given for detransitioning are as follows:

Pressure from a parent 36% Transitioning was too hard for them 33% They faced too much harassment or discrimination as a transgender person 31% They had trouble getting a job 29% Pressure from other family members 26% Pressure from a spouse or partner 18% Pressure from an employer 17% Pressure from friends 13% Pressure from a mental health professional 5% Pressure from a religious counselor 5% They realized that gender transition was not for them 5% Initial transition did not reflect the complexity of their gender identity (write-in response) 4% Financial reasons (write-in response) 3% Medical reasons (write-in response) 2% A reason not listed above 35%

So 4% of trans men detransition, but only 5% of those stated they detransitioned because gender transntion it was not right for them.

So thats a 0.2% regret rate for cis women based on realising they werent transgender. --

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

Its not really a problem when your regret rate for transmasculine surgeries is less than 1%.

A total of 27 studies, pooling 7928 transgender patients who underwent any type of GAS, were included. The pooled prevalence of regret after GAS was 1% (95% CI <1%–2%). Overall, 33% underwent transmasculine procedures and 67% transfemenine procedures. The prevalence of regret among patients undergoing transmasculine and transfemenine surgeries was <1% (IC <1%–<1%) and 1% (CI <1%–2%), respectively. A total of 77 patients regretted having had GAS. Twenty-eight had minor and 34 had major regret based on Pfäfflin’s regret classification. The majority had clear regret based on Kuiper and Cohen-Kettenis classification.

You'll be hard pressed to find an elective surgery with that low a regret rate anywhere. The US has 3% regret rate for Lasik.

They've defederated from a Iot of common badfaith instances on the fediverse, lot of pleroma and masto troll/fash instances - which is normaI for admins on the fediverse. Its active protection of your users from harrassment. Most mastodon instances have 200-400+ instances blocked and defederated. Its standard.

Lemmy admins may be new to the fediverse, but once the troll instances start to realise how easy it is to mess with you from the safety of their instances, you're going to need your admins to start communicating with the long term masto admins, get their blocklists and recognise how they keep their users safe proactively rather than retroactively.

Defederation is one of the strongest defenses the federation has in terms of maintaining stability within its wider network and enforcing that admins/mods do their jobs. Its a matter of everyone seeing eye to eye and agreeing on ground rules for civility and agreeing they're going to moderate to a decent active standard and keep control of their users. If an instance is unable to keep control of its house, or the admin goes AWOL and ends up with tons of bad faith users running amok flinging poop everywhere, then yeah they will get defederated. It can always be fixed later on with serious discussion and commitments made between the admins of instances.

But yeah every instance on the fediverse that doesnt want underage porn / nazi imagery / fascist agitators / gore / hatespeech etc getting posted continually to their users, is going to have to defederate a couple of hundred instances. The Fediverse is a lot bigger than Lemmy, and people outside of Lemmy/Kbin can all post to your instances and your threads, or even start our own threads.

Yes, people used to twitter and reddit do often think thats a problem that cant be solved, but quickly find out it really is actually pretty quickly solved on the federated side of the fediverse.

"I dont think gay people should be allowed to get married" is a homophobic statement, so yeah no you cant post that publicly online on a space that doesnt allow homophobia. It gets flagged as homophobic, the person who flagged it's moderators immediately talk to the person who posted it's moderators, and they're asked to remove it and either warn the poster from ever doing it again or if they're seen to be a bad faith account thats just trying to spread hatespeech, they're given the boot from the instance. If the instance moderators refuse to accept it as homophobia, then a fediblock post is made and over the next few hours most instance admins read the situation that an instance is refusing to uphold the pretty clear cut no homophobia stance and say hey if you dont start enforcing your own rules that you list on your site, we're going to have to assume you're a badfaith instance, a danger to our communities and defederate from you. It really is that simple. Same with transphobia, casteism or racism. People are welcome to hold hateful viewpoints, but you cant start trying to debate them or push them on a site that doesnt allow it in its rules.

The Fediverse, ActivityPub, was built by transgender people, the moderators of many of the key instances, are transgender, the federation is deeply transgender and the "No Transphobia" rule is pretty concrete in the same level of rock hard as "No Racism" regarding what most good faith instances accept those things to mean.

Thats why its a rake in the grass for new instances, especially ones that are UK based due to their abysmal degrees of transphobia in their media and how far anti-trans activists have sealioned the idea of "yes but what really is transphobia" over the last 8 years.

The good faith federation doesnt have free speech, the federation isnt a place of free speech. The federation bans outright most places that include the phrase "free speech" in their community rules pages because its 100% only ever used as a dogwhistle by far right instances.

Hi, chiming in as a person from Mastodon from the past 7 years.

The rake in the grass that Feddit UK is going to run into is Transphobia.

FedditUK says in its rules that it wont allow Transphobia in its communities, fair enough, if thats truly what they mean great.

But this is the same rake in the grass that many of the newer instances over on mastodon since Musk took over twitter have run into, many of the journalism instances for example had strong "No Transphobia" rules, right up until a Telegraph journalist that was a user on their instance posted a transphobic article at which point the mods suddenly felt they simply couldnt restrict the free speech of a journalist even though it directly contradicted their own server rules.

The firm "No racism, no transphobia, no homophobia, no casteism" of the federation is pretty strict on that and many new comers to the fediverse find it shocking how "i just want to debate your right to use the toilet" isnt allowed on federated instances. And remaining connected to the greater federation requires that social contract and showing you're actually moderating and removing bad actors from your instance and blocking bad faith instances to protect your users and users of other federated instances who may use your communities/magazines/subfeddits for discussion.

The giant federation that agrees to these rules thrive as a big hub network, but theres thousands of tiny instances out there that dont that are defederated for very good reason (loli, gore, terrorism material that is illegal to own/view in the UK), a dark side to the fediverse ocean which is often joking referred to by mods as the "c*m" side of the federation (due to the sheer staggering amount of tiny 1-5 people instances with that word in its url), that includes places like gab, truthsocial, spinsterdotxyz (anti-trans subreddit), and so on.

lemmy federates with mastodon and pleroma, which means its open to all the above instances, theres gonna be a ton of instances that lemmy instances need to block to keep their users safe from spam and illegal content.

But after that, the question still remains, what are the admin or moderators of any of the FedditUK communities going to do when the transphobia rake appears in front of them?