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I never even see anything nsfw myself both on kbin and lemmy. How far do people scroll when browsing?

Ah, so he is CK player.

I really doubt the number of people using uncensored chat bot is that high. The drop of usage probably has more to do with novelty and AI general limitation.

The AI models are not always that easy to use and they are being developed at neck breaking speed, so I cannot imagine the numbers of people dedicate themselves to use such AI would be that high.

There is a niche of using AI chatbot as RP tool for sure, but it has always been a separated thing from the start and it cannot cause such sudden drop.

It does feel that many people here on lemmy are experiencing 1st hand of "feeding the troll". The Donald community created is probably done by less than a handful of people and it drove hundred times more amount of users to turn against each other.

This is why I frown upon the idea of defederation and I blame the users for opening that pandora's box. People, including mods, are too busy getting at each other throats and praising the value of their bubble communities rather than having any sort of planning.

That's an interesting strategy tbh. Remind me of "you have been banned from r/Pyongyang". Honestly the people screaming defederation is more annoying and more active than the community they are screaming at, so I am all for this approach.

Maybe when the technology is more mature, this process will be done through automated bot. That's something to think about too.

I think you are the one who does not get it. Unless Beehaw completely defederate from everyone, posts on Beehaw is a part of the federation, meaning all federate communities that beehaw agrees to connect with.

This is why I said the whole defederate/federate thing Beehaw people do not seem to get or do not want to understand. You are part of this, we are not part of you. If you want your own community, commit to it and disconnect. If you want the benefit of the federation, you do have to work with other and deal with consequence.

Based on what you wrote, it doesn't look like you used reddit for too long. Most of the more interesting things on reddit are very niche (hobbyists), very personal (old askreddit, helpful supportive communities for minorities, big comment threads about global events, etc.), or very regional specific (food, culture, belief, etc.) There are quite a lot of people still use small subs on reddit exactly for those reasons, finding very technical or obscure knowledge is only possible thanks for small communities. That is what many wish to replicate here.

I do not get what you even mean by saying niche subs will survive as they did before. No, there are a lot of sub drama and not all sub survive drama, and this time reddit itself is trying strip contents and agency out of the users and mods. What do you even mean saying it won't effect small subs?

If you just doom scroll lookking at meme pics and comments you aren't really experiencing much other than dopamine content. Just because you do not engage in smaller communities doesn't mean that these changes aren't affecting those people.

I realize the confusion now. I forgot that from the perspective of people on Beehaw, they would not see me posting from kbin immediately without checking the handle.

To paraphrase my point: I support the development of lemmy as a federated project, but I do not support the goal of Beehaw (which they do have on the sidebar and I read it more than one). This purely comes from my own experience and preference with curated communities.

I do not have a problem with Beehaw defederate from others.

However, I do not see defederate is a solution to the many issues with lemmy as a whole. I disagree with the original post on federation, but I do agree with a lot of their replies about the technical limitation.

Because Beehaw is not the entirety of the federation? I am not sure if I follow your question. I am not on Beehaw.

I support the exploration of federation concept (which at this point, the tool and experience are not yet developed to that point), and support the people and communities going through the transition from reddit to this deferation system (which a very small percentage of people went through to here).

Beehaw supports neither of these. They backed out, and they want to create curated communities specifically.

My energy is spend on the many communities I do engage with... on reddit. Those communities have barely any post here because the majority of people do not trust these platforms. It makes sense that I want the federation as a whole (ignoring beehaw) to not sink before the people can move to these spaces.

Well what you said is what I did. I never support the goal of beehaw to make a curated communities in the first place because I do not think such idea is healthy (nor it represent much for things outside of USA imo), but it really does not effect me in any way.

What I strongly disagree with is the idea of defederation is a "normal" thing to do: it's only make sense specifically because they want to make a curated communities, and nothing else. People who paint it otherwise are making excuse from my point of view (which is the point of my original post). And the strife I have with them is the whole drama they essentially caused.

I do use beehaw and saw those posts. I do not support the overall goal of beehaw, though that is not related to the content of what I posted above. Imo, Beehaw as a curated communities should not try to play both sides and handle the situation poorly - which does confuse the overall communities here. If they choose to go walled garden mode, then they should commit to it.

Regards your first point, and partly why I do not agree with beehaw overall goal, I do not think all of what you listed (and what I heard a lot from beehaw or similar closed communities) are such a problem as people are making it out to be. Reddit itself is terribly vile as all of the contents you listed there already exist on the platform. The reasons why you do not see those on reddit on daily basis are 2 folds. One, the tools on reddit that filter those contents are rather decent - which is something lemmy does not have, yet. And two, those types of contents do get naturally filtered by the internet communities itself - something that happened on reddit many many times.

I don't disagree with that, because Beehaw is made before the reddit thing happened.

What should have happened is that they made an announcement and a clear goal to either remain closed community, or a time of when they rejoin. Originally, they did say they might rejoin when more mod tools are available, which I can respect. The technical limitation is understandable. The whole argument sprung by communities over defederation is not. From my perspective, it is just a veiled way to excuse trying to build a curated community.

Beehaw was made with the goal of being a curated community originally. So just say it like it is. The whole veiled discussion and excuses made by the loose definition of defederation is stupid and just cause even more drama from involved sites.