AtmosphericRiversCuomo

You're not wrong. IMO most people here can't really pull off the dirtbag dunking/bullying thing very well, so instead we just come across like a bunch of shitasses.

Best of luck to you. I can tell you're destined to do great things.

Sounds like someone had a bad experience with an anarchist/post-left bookstore or coffee shop or punk venue run by 19 year olds.

Also, you're the one being sectarian now. WTF is this shit?

Your knee jerk reaction to what I'm saying strikes me as why the left in the west is an utter failure in every way. If you don't think small business owners have certain advantages in western society, then I don't know what to tell you. Hell, they don't even pay taxes half the time because the whole system was set up to benefit them.

If you know of a better way to legally move people out of harm's way, then let's hear it. Abusing immigration systems is a tactic the left is not going to be serious enough to utilize if we remain stuck in this "bedtimes are oppressive" mindset. My whole thing is not that I'm striving to be a capitalist, it's using the tools of the bourgeois state and bending them to our advantage.

I'm writing this for the benefit of someone else who might be reading it because this is clearly not going to be a productive discussion.

For one thing, imagine police responding to an incident at a known leftist coop vs just a regular old pillar of the community main street shop. How are they going to act? Or imagine how much more sway your voice has at city council meeting as a successful small business. Business owners are practically part of the capitalist priesthood, so you're negating one of the biggest advantages for not a lot of gain. There are lots of other reasons, for example I think a day will come when we can use legitimate looking businesses to help people immigrate to countries that are better suited to withstand climate change, ostensibly for the purposes of labour.

A big reason why they degrade and de-radicalize imo is that they're often started and operated by (trying not to be sectarian) consensus obsessed folks. While consensus is great, a more democratic centralist approach is probably best for the sake of efficiency. Basically coops are efficient because they're horizontally organized and don't need a heavy management layer, but then that's negated by having to hash out every single decision ad nauseam.

Huge gap for the left not to have an aspirational constitution drafted and floating around out there as a meme. We can't even say, "hey, look there's a better way! We took the best bits of all the constitutions in the world, and if we updated things, it could guarantee you x, y, and z."

No chance of it being enacted of course, but how can we say a better world is possible when we can't even come up with a rough draft of what it might look like?

Yea, I would recommend against doing this in the US. It's uncommon, which makes it harder, more expensive, and legally challenging, etc. It also paints a target on your back if conditions deteriorate.

Just form an LLC and make it a co-op via an operating agreement. The government doesn't need to know why you pay people the amounts that you do or how you arrive at decisions. Keep it like a black box that looks like every other business from the outside.

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Because of the way society runs, everything we do is tremendously damaging to the environment unfortunately. The upside of that is that people who want to automate labour have a lot of carbon budget to work with e.g. keeping people off roads and out of offices and such. With algorithmic and hardware efficiencies that are already slated we may end up saving energy in the near future.

There's nothing we can really do to stop these systems from being utilized either, anymore than we can ban gaming hardware (based). But it's sort of a prisoners dilemma like military spending.

Sorry to be a dickhead. This is just what strong difference of opinion looks. Everyone jumps up my ass about daring to say that "AI" is not just a grift but an actual threat (and opportunity). Like yes, silicon valley are grifters, but that doesn't preclude them from cooking up useful engineering once in a while.

My whole point is that we need to abandon our immature/dirtbag analysis of this issue and get more professionalized about things or we're gonna get really rinsed in the 21st century.

This has the potential to destroy Bitcoin.

Don't be fatuous. See my other comment here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5726976