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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 80 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The stakes between these two generations weren't the same at all. WWII was a real crisis where world freedom was actually at stake.

Nowadays, the wars are all a bunch of made up conflicts to help countries and their businesses keep control over world resources and exploit people around the world for money.

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

nowadays...

That started in the 60s lol its been over 60 years of capitalism wars

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

I won't argue with you there.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

It is the 1% vs the working class, not generation vs generation.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

made up conflicts

artificial scarcity, basically

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And all we 'know' about any of it is what we're told.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand what you're saying.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Compare how much you know because you figured it out to how much you know based on information from other people.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The internets way open now, plenty of places to find out what's going on vs back then where you literally just had the local radio and 1 of 3 TV channels feeding you the info.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck are you even saying?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He's saying Hitler did nothing wrong.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah. But I'm trying to make him say it. Show his real colors.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Good thing fascists are morons or we would all be speaking trumpanieze right now.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People lie to get other people to fight for their benefit. Every war ever has been about that.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you think that the war against the Nazis and the axis force was based on some nation's lies to their own benefit?

[–] Mango@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago

Probably, but how should I know?

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I try to figure out as much as I can on my own, unfortunately not everybody has that kind of time. So, information must be shared once somebody found it out. That's what we're doing when we're talking to other people.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

And when that information is made up to decide your political decisions?

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well, IQ scores rise over time. Smarter people realize how dumb it is to directly kill, or pay tons for the killing of, dirt poor civilians on the other side of the world. Especially for profits most of them will never, ever see.

Edit: I shouldn't make it sound as if the soldiers of WW2 were dumb though. As another comment correctly pointed out, there's a lot of difference between WW2 and at least some modern wars.

[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure even the inventors of IQ test say it shouldn't be used to measure the general intelligence. The only thing IQ test measures well is how good you are at solving IQ tests.

Also

IQ scores have been shown to be associated with such factors as nutrition, parental socioeconomic status, morbidity and mortality, parental social status, and perinatal environment.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

Not to mention that you can get anyone to do pretty much anything if you present them only the right information in the right context.

[–] hairyfeet@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The quote you pulled detracts from your argument. It boils down to smarter people make smarter choices.

From your source, the section- 'Validity as a measure of intelligence' provides useful criticism of the iq test but concludes with:

Despite these objections, clinical psychologists generally regard IQ scores as having sufficient statistical validity for many clinical purposes.

[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've wanted to put the quote against the point that rise in IQ scores means rise of general intelligence, because the listed factors mostly relate to your standard of life, which has risen pretty significantly since 1909.

Same source, same section

While IQ tests are generally considered to measure some forms of intelligence, they may fail to serve as an accurate measure of broader definitions of human intelligence inclusive of, for example, creativity and social intelligence. For this reason, psychologist Wayne Weiten argues that their construct validity must be carefully qualified, and not be overstated. According to Weiten, "IQ tests are valid measures of the kind of intelligence necessary to do well in academic work. But if the purpose is to assess intelligence in a broader sense, the validity of IQ tests is questionable."

IMO making smarter decisions in a society doesn't boil down to academic work.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

It’s the same logic that says kids who come from better socioeconomic backgrounds tend to do better in life.

There are a whole host of reasons for that but it doesn’t mean they are better

As quality of life improves for everyone so to do our scores on a test that tends to actually measure more than just “raw mental intelligence”

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah. Why isn't that kid working? We need all the help we can get for the war cause. If we don't get enough Element 710 those bugs will kill more babies on this remote planet. You don't want that do you?

[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It was pointed out to me today that if you put 710 into a calculator and turn it upside down, it spells oil.

(Do kids still do that kind of thing?)

[–] nick@campfyre.nickwebster.dev 5 points 5 months ago

That sounds like bug propaganda right there

[–] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

U would assume kids still do it to send funny secret messages. Also yes I know that, it's how I remembered the numbers lol.

[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If he had joined the army he could have afforded a belt... Thats what this means, right?

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not with the Camaro on a payment plan.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 5 months ago

Don't worry, the Army offers financial counseling classes so grunts don't fall for that.

It's one class with twenty slots and officers get priority.

[–] Digestive_Biscuit 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Wasn't there a movie where LL Cool J was the bad army guy who was using kids video games as remote controls for real war weapons? I want to say I saw it in the late 90's but it's possible my flakey memory is making this all up.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Toys

The main actor I remembered was Robin Williams.

[–] Digestive_Biscuit 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes that's is! It's older than I remember.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 months ago

I was pretty small when my friend's parents rented the VHS while we were on holiday. The main thing I remember was that Robin Williams asked a kid how many points they got for killing a person and the kid said, "A thousand," and my friend reacted like that was a huge deal. I remember thinking that was weird because we didn't know what the point scale was so it might not have been that big, but I knew how to mask my autism enough not to say that. I can also speak neurotypical enough to understand they were going for the emotional effect of a big-sounding number, so in that sense my friend had the right reaction.

As an adult I can look back and go "oooooohhh this is about the military industrial complex exploiting poor young people by dangling meagre benefits in front of them", and I think that message did seep in to my young brain in some way.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Ender's Game?

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

I'm a military man, I like a military meal. I don't want my peas invading my mashed potatoes.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Gamers won't die for oil they'll die for big tittied anime girls and the supposed consultant firms trying to kill them

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Beware of the insidious corruption of all things while living a capitalist way of life. Anarchy T shirts for sale at hot topic.

Counter culture captured and then turned into a profit driven machine.

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[–] toaster@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

All reasonable points, however it's worth it to donate to creatives and free software projects. Part of the enshittification of the web is due to creatives being dependant on ad revenue.

[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

There are plenty of open source softwares that will allow you to make better (more legible) graphics than whatever was used to produce this piece.

Pixel anarchist ≠ punk.