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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 117 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] notepass@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If I remember correctly: If it is watertight, replaceable batteries are not required. EZ way to skirt around this stuff.

[–] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah.

To ensure the safety of end-users, this Regulation should provide for a limited derogation for portable batteries from the removability and replaceability requirements set for portable batteries concerning appliances that incorporate portable batteries and that are specifically designed to be used, for the majority of the active service of the appliance, in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion and that are intended to be washable or rinseable.

From here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html#title1:~:text=(39)%C2%A0%C2%A0%20To,by%20end%2Dusers

So watertight is definitely enough of a reason.

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

It is called a rubber o-ring.

That's how other companies have been making water-tight compartments for batteries and other things for literally decades now. But all of a sudden, Apple wants to pretend this is some unsolvable problem. For fucks sakes stop acting like this is some insane ask, goddamn it.

No other government body is as consumer-friendly as the EU, so I really hope this bill passes and forces Apple to comply. I am so sick of the bullshit from these megacorporations who are so big they just don't give a flying fuck about what consumers want. And on the flipside, there are going to be a million Apple apologists who will side with Apple on this topic. Those bootlickers only make things worse for everyone.

[–] Tathas@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just wait, Apple will solve this with a rubber o-ring and will receive heaps of praise for their innovation.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You mean magic rings?! Or maybe they'll be called i-rings.

They'll come up with some stupid ass name like that to make it seem like it is a proprietary thing. Man, I hate that company so much.

[–] PitzNR@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Magic iRing™ is a cutting edge, replaceable* sealing appartus for your new iPhone 18, made of military grade special compound and sleek design to ensure your new iPhone with replaceable* battery stays sealed to IP67 Standart.

Magic iRing sold separately starting at $99 *replaceable by authorized dealers only, needs to be serialized to your phone, Magic iRing™ must be replaced after every use.

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] T156@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

They tried asking before, with the charging connector. Apple effectively ignored them for about a decade, so they're going with the firmer option now.

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[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So glad to see the Apple fans here aren't a bunch of blind yesmen. With an R&D budget the size of Apple's I am sure theres a way to figure somwthing out.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Especially since waterproof phones with replaceable batteries already existed. They aren't exactly working from nothing.

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[–] ImaginaryFox@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really refreshing to see Apple fans who have not forgotten they are consumers who have features they want as opposed to accepting whatever decision is made for them.

Other site was a weird mix of people who seemed less Apple consumers and shared more in common with Apple shareholders with the lengths they'd go to defend things from Apple's financial point of view.

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[–] oct_opus@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It seems they are not going to make batterie replaceable without a fight. The waterproof excuse is crap, they already don’t give us repairs if the iphone is « water dommage » and they can just make a new water resistant design around the new requirements

[–] Rubanski@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same lame excuse they used for removing the headphone jack... Never forget what they took from us and the shitty trend they started in the industry

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think the charging port is the next one to go. Just use wireless charging, roast the battery and buy a new phone when the battery finally dies after a few years. However, if the battery really is replaceable, it’s going to change the economics of this plan.

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The waterproof excuse is crap

Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Yep. Galaxy S5, released 9 years ago with an IP67, removable battery, sd card and headphone jack with a back you could open with a fingernail.

Spot on. They boast about how the iPhone is IP68, but IPX7 means...

Protected from immersion in water with a depth of up to 1 meter (or 3.3 feet) for up to 30 mins

There may be a tradeoff, but I'll take this level of waterproofing with a removable battery over being able to dunk my phone under water for 2 hours without a removable battery. Like that's an easy choice.

It's all moot anyway. This is just Apple trying to justify their anti-consumer standpoint of wanting to own the device after it's been bought, like every other fucking manufacturer out there. We will own nothing and we'll be happy about it.

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What a horseshit excuse: add 6 screws on your backplate, give it a frame with center glass, add a grommet. Give a torque setting for the screws to have a good seal in your instructions. L

Done.

Samsung did this shit years ago in a phone with a replaceable plastic back.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't go pros have replaceable batteries too and get used in like the ocean?

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Yes, but they have a very sturdy case. The gopro itself (without the case) is not waterproof.

Edit: looks like I haven't kept up with the times (username checks out) and now they ARE waterproof even without the case.

[–] OrgunDonor@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

This is wrong btw.

Since the Hero 5, Go Pros have been waterproof without the case. The current GoPro is waterproof to 10 meters without a case or 60 meters with the case.

Compared to the current iphone which is only water resistant, so can be submerged for 30 minutes, upto 6 meters.

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[–] yuriy@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

jeeeeesus christ, the idea that a component in your MOBILE PHONE will never need repair is a one-way ticket to fucking landfill electronics.

add a gasket, holy shit it’s waterproof again!

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I mean, they said it never needs to be repaired, so just offer a lifetime warranty if it degrades. Should be easy enough

[–] abcd@feddit.de 48 points 1 year ago

It would be great if the EU steps back:

Dear phone manufacturers. It seems to be impossible to build water resistant phones with easily replaceable batteries. So we have an alternative for you: In future you must provide a unconditional, professional battery replacement, free of charge for 10 years for each individual phone which is water resistant. Since the phones are so water resistant you also have to replace all water damaged phones free of charge.

2 hours later Apple announces a keynote for next week. A week later Tim Cook presents us next years iPhone with an easily replaceable battery…

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Liars! Galaxy S5 was IP67. One of the Xperia phones (forgot which one) was also water resistant but without an IP rating. IIRC one of the HTC phones was also water resistant. At the very least Apple, don’t piss in our faces and tell us it’s raining.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

My old ass Galaxy S5 had a ip67 rating, dropped it into a pool once and still working to this day, so apple and the rest of these phone manufacturers can piss off with this flimsy excuse especially when they're charging me hundreds of dollars.

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Apple needs to have a look at the new Surface devices: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/14/23761037/microsoft-surface-spare-replacement-parts-microsoft-store and https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/11/23453263/microsoft-surface-pro-9-repairability-improved-ifixit-teardown

Microsoft now sells Surface replacement parts, including displays, batteries, and SSDs / If you have a modern Surface device, then there are plenty of replacement parts to choose from.

Microsoft’s Surface Pro 9 has (...) now has a screwed-in battery module as opposed to an adhered one. Between that and other components having become more modular over the years, repairability is actually achievable.

But instead they're already bitching to the press about this new regulations. This is the same crap they pulled with USB-C, still no USB-C iPhones whatsoever and unlike everyone else I'm not confident it will happen this year. To be frank Apple even decided to srew the customer even more by having newer iPhones come with USB-C to lightening cables and without a charger instead of plain USB-A.

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

Unwillingly is also fine with me.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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[–] gabmartini@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck water, I want to change my battery.

[–] Skiptrace@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

It's not even that hard. I had a Galaxy S5, which had Micro-B and a replaceable battery. It's called using a Cover on your USB Port, and a RUBBER GASKET. It's not rocket psychology.

[–] Mojojojo1993@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Money. Answer every single time is money

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why? Because fuck you, that's why.

I hate Apple, but I'm not going to pretend that a lot of other phones are as unfixable, or close to.

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[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

"EU explains why it doesn't care that Apple is refusing to make non replaceable batteries"

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Screws and gaskets. Fuck you apple.

[–] Arakwar@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Force them to cover all water damage under warranty. And let them void the water damage warranty if you replace the battery. This will remove their bad excuse if « keeping the phone waterproof » as it will acknowledge that opening it breaks the seal.

[–] chase_what_matters@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve commented this elsewhere but it wouldn’t surprise me if they actually over engineer the replaceable battery and incorporate their MagSafe tech or something to make replacement batteries prohibitively expensive but technically follows EU rules. Seems like a very Apple malicious compliance outcome.

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They will though, at least in Europe. Otherwise they will lose that market entirely

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Apple does love to take designs that makes their devices enter the realm of disposable tech. Like soldering storage and ram on their MacOS running devices in the name of speed, but one that is not noticeable to the average user. And decreases peoples ability to upgrade it to use even longer like they did the older macs.

So fighting against replaceable batteries seems along the line for them.

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