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[–] loics2@lemm.ee 46 points 6 months ago (24 children)

I really wanted to like tidal, but honestly it's not really good. The search sucks, no offline mode on desktop, no official Linux client, an incomplete catalog...

It's not worth it, even if they are the least bad for paying artists.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

You can use Plexamp as a Tidal client. I do this for offline music. Works on desktop too 🙂

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[–] Pinecone@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

The limited library was their biggest problem in my opinion. It's acceptable if you want mainstream, well known artists centered on appealing to North America but there were so many international and independent groups that weren't on the service. Higher quality streaming is only worth it if you can listen to what you like.

[–] rbits@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

Yeah. The number one reason I won't subscribe is that if their library is missing a song, you can't even add it yourself. Both Spotify and Apple Music allow adding your own MP3s, how does Tidal not have that feature?!

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[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I like Tidal because its interface isn't downright crap. What Spotify did to playlists and to the heart/cross button is so damn annoying.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I love the change. I have many playlists and it has made my life so much easier organising everything.

[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

How does it work better for you? To me it's annoying, I cannot easily move folders around anymore, nor move playlists into folders if I'm not using the desktop app.

Also, the + (former ♥️ button) is the worst offender to me. I used to use the button to add a music to my big "liked" default list, the one that is more permanent, and the three dots to add it to a playlist, which are more fluid. So playlists come and go, and not every song on a playlist is the one i want on my definitive pool of "always wanted" songs.

Then someone at Spotify decided to say "fuck you users", and merged the + and three dots, making it harder to know if a song is already in my main "liked" list.

Say I have a playlist I created, the + button is now a ✅ button. It tells me the song is saved somewhere. I have to tap it to see where, which 1. is completely unintuitive, because tapping a check button would create me the expectation of uncheking it, but it instead shows me a list of playlists! What in the freaking hell? This is decades of UI convention thrown out the windows for a really bad concept.

And 2, being checked doesn't mean it's my favorite song, just that it is saved on some playlist. It's a mistery, which is only solved by tapping the schizophrenic +/✅ button, instead of simply saying to me "yep, you liked this song".

So... Yeah. I hate Spotify.

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[–] MasterHound@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Hope this is rolled out to other countries and not just the US.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago

I got the email in Canada, so yes? It's not uncommon for us to not get things when they do across the border.

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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Tidal also pays artists significantly more than Spotify/ Apple Music. So they're good-shittifying in both directions 🙂

[–] Zink@pawb.social 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A rare instance of... unshittification?

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[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Interesting, what is this "reverse enshittification" you speak of

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Wipe-ification?

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[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t forget that Apple Music also pays significantly more than Spotify. Just not as much as Tidal.

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I've been using Deezer for a while, but I've been looking to move to something else after they absolutely mutilated their UI and actively insulted any paying customer that complained.

Tidal seems like a good choice. I just dread the day they, too, get caught up in current trend chasing and redesign their app to look like a bubbly toy to hook the kids.

[–] astreus@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Been using tidal ever since Spotify's Joe Rogan debacle. Main reason? They actually pay the artist. But the sound quality is a nice bonus as well! No regrets...other than people trying to share music with me by sending a spotify link!

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They still don't pay the artists all that much. No streaming services do.

If you genuinely want to support artists financially, you should buy their music outright through online stores like Bandcamp or Qobuz.

[–] astreus@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's true, but at least half the artists I listen to I would never have found if it weren't for streaming. Something is, after all, better than nothing.

And compared to the competition, Tidal's payments are good:

~30% more than Apple Music (0.01c)

~300% more than Spotify (0.003 - 0.005c)

~500% more than Soundcloud (0.0025c)

~1000% more than Pandora (0.00133c)

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[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Qobuz has the most beautiful and serious-looking UI I've tried, I really love it. But I had to stop using it because there is no lyrics integration and some of my favorite (admittedly obscure) music was not there. But the UI is spectacular, especially on desktop.

Tidal's interface is simply good, nothing more and nothing less, and it's a more mature product overall with more features

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[–] drivepiler@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I read the email from Tidal four times and still didn't believe they weren't trying to fuck me over. Well, I'll be damned.

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[–] EndHD@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The headline sounded good but the article lists a lot of negatives too. They're removing discounts for veterans/first responders, they recently laid off 10% of staff, and their price now matches Amazon and Apple. So don't mistake this for good intention; this is just a business' survival instincts taking over.

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[–] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Any variation of "yep, you read that right" makes me instantly not care, idk

[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It does sound clickbait-y and I guess that's why there are butthurt people in the comments. I guess its meaning is "literally everyone is raising prices, while Tidal is lowering them". TBF I also had to read the title again because it's pretty strange to see prices decrease

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[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago

I wish it was getting cheaper....I've been @ $6.35/month for their CD FLAC quality middle tier, with my veteran discount for a few years.

Has been perfect for my budget HiFi setup.

Now it's nearly doubling in cost, and they won't have the discount anymore....

[–] nick@midwest.social 13 points 6 months ago

Good news for the seven people who use tidal!

[–] Renorc@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Tidal may not be the best streamer. It certainly does have its faults. But so do the others mentioned in these comments. For a subscription service to halve their rate is really unheard of. I appreciate it. This is really the type of pricing movement we need after so many years of out of control inflation. I wish Amazon, Disney, and Netflix would do something similar rather than endless cost increases without any improvement in services.

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[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

That's a pretty good price, if YT music ever takes away my $8 a month early sign up pricing I'll probably look at swapping over.

[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just do it now. Give your money to a company that actually supports artists in a consumer friendly way.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Problem is I have this fantasy of being 95 years old and proudly showing my great great grandchildren how I get YT Music/Premium for $8 instead of the $695 everyone else pays.

That imagined sense of superiority from getting a good deal is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going some days.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Google services don't last that long, sorry.

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[–] ardi60@reddthat.com 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

Spotify vs Tidal vs Apple Music vs Youtube Music which one is better?

[–] jul@feddit.de 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Tidal is the most popular option for audiophiles. What I also like about it is the fact that they pay artists much more fairly than other platforms. According to this, they payout $0.013 per stream on average (which means $1 per 77 streams). Because I listen to a lot of unknown artists it is important to me to be on a platform where I can support those artists much more directly.

AFAIK Spotify only pays the overall most listened to artists like Taylor Swift etc. I canceled my Spotify subscription when Neil Young quit Spotify.

EDIT: because this is becoming a bit popular, for anyone looking to migrate from Spotify to Tidal, I recommend this simple to use python script to migrate your playlists. And because we have a lot of Linux users here, check out tidal-hifi.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Is there a word for the opposite of enshitification?

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 7 points 6 months ago

engoodening

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Tidal seems to have decided that there just aren’t enough people willing to pay upward of $20 per month for the highest-possible audio fidelity.

At a high level, it sounds like this new, much simpler subscription model will still include all the perks — high-res FLACs, Dolby Atmos mixes, etc.

Now Tidal is caving and throwing in its large catalog of high-res tracks without demanding extra money on top.

With this move, Tidal could be trying to head off an eventual rollout of the rumored “Supremium” Spotify plan and avoid potential subscriber losses.

Either way, it’s an attempt to remain competitive in the streaming music landscape — or at least to stay relevant.

Tidal laid off 10 percent of its staff in December amid other cuts at parent company Block.


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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Does this mean we're stuck with MQA? Or can we still forcibly use FLAC. I was on the lower tier purely to avoid MQA.

[–] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No, there is what Tidal calls "HiRes FLAC", which is 24-bit, 192 kHz. Their website does not even mention MQA anymore. They've moved away from MQA since early 2023, when the MQA company went bankrupt

[–] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Actually this is a good deal. Curation on tidal is good, meaning they have cool playlists handpicked by people. In the past when I used it it was with questionable MQA encoding, which had a lot of controversy. But 24/192khz flac, If you care about audio quality is a better offer than Qobuz.

Can't go wrong for the price. But I think the main driver should be audio quality. Because FLAC files (esp 24/192khz) can be very data hungry, for those who use it mobile only. So you need to be careful with that. You can use lower sample rates and higher bitrate mp3 as well if my memory serves well. But that defeats a bit the purpose of what Tidal stands for

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