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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"I’ll put my cards on the table: I’m a permanent resident of the US which means I’m not allowed to vote."

Then you can STFU and sit down. You want to be able to vote? Get your citizenship. My daughter-in-law JUST did. This will be her first election. She's not going to do anything that supports a Trump win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html

Hint - She's from one of these countries.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 8 months ago
[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago
[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (58 children)

I'll blame each and every eligible person who didn't show up to vote for him, regardless of what their excuse is. This isn't the time to be playing around.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Looks like the US is going to get some tough love.

Turns out you can't just fund, supply and cast UN vetoes in support of the genocide of an entire people and still get unconditional support at the ballot box, whoda thunkit.

And yes, the consequences are going to be hideous.

I guess you should have thought of that, what with everyone telling you over and over and over.

Cabin in the Woods moment, and you brought it on yourselves.

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[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 14 points 8 months ago

No, I will blame them. Make your threats to Biden all you want, put all the pressure on him to stop supporting the genocide, absolutely. But come election day if you don't realize that Biden, even as is, is still a far, far better option than Trump, then yes anyone staying home over this is absolutely partially to blame.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As a non American I thank you for the chance to have more Trump, you fucking morons. 😕

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As a non American I thank you for the chance to have more Trump, you fucking morons. 😕

Biden should consider campaigning then. If this election is so important, maybe we need a more effective candidate?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago (22 children)

Biden could literally not say another word the rest of the year and still be the smarter choice than letting Trump in.

Do I wish he was 30 years younger and more active? Of course. I wish a lot of things. That doesn't change that democracy is literally on the line and I'd vote for a corpse to keep Republicans out of office.

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[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

Nothing short of complete annihilation of it's current incarnation will fix the political system in America. That being said you realistically have 2 choices. Bad, and worse. Choose wisely.

[–] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Filmmaker and Michigan native Michael Moore agreed that Biden’s stance on the ongoing slaughter in Gaza could easily cost him the state, and in turn, the entire election. In a recent interview with CNN’s Abby Phillip, Moore said “I’ve been saying this month that he’s going to cost himself the election. …If Trump has any chance, it’s the decision that [Biden’s] made to embrace slaughter, carpet bombing, babies in incubators dead because they cut off the electricity, on and on and on.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/02/28/uncommitted-vote-in-michigan-highlights-bidens-extremely-precarious-candidacy/

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Dumb gotta dumb. They're willing to burn their country to the ground for something happening in another country. Under any other time, I'd be ok with it, but trump is an existential threat to everything the country stands for and will bathe in it's smouldering ashes. Reap what you fucking sow.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 4 points 8 months ago

We all know how devastating a second Trump term would be. It’s also important to understand the damage that Biden is doing by funding a plausible genocide

"That's a nice country you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to it..."

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago

I guess at the basic level Biden must think the pro Israel vote is bigger than the gaza vote?

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I will absolutely blame the voters, because it'd literally be their fault. That's how elections work.

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[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean,

If Obama's handling of Guantanamo not closing and the drone striking of Somalia and Yemen didn't stop his second term.
I can't see how Gaza's situation will affect Biden's.

Truth is, most of your population doesn't even pay attention to the details of news, unless it's something to do with Kardashian's or Taylor Swift.

[–] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is a significant Muslim population in Michigan that is paying attention. Michigan is a swing state, if Biden loses it he probably loses the election.

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Good luck with Trump, the defender of the Islamic people and totally not going to bomb them trust him Bigley

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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This whole thing is so depressing. Not Gaza, which is a tragedy, but the conversation around it. People who have family members starving and dying right now are upset, and there is zero empathy for them. Just anger directed at them by people who are (or were) ostensibly on their side.

I will not be commenting further in this thread because it belongs in !politics and I'm out of antidepressants but not booze.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's difficult. On one hand, it is a fucking atrocity, and it's hard to blame people for being upset that someone with the power to at least lessen the harm, isn't.

But on the other hand, ensuring the greater evil gets in does nothing. No Palestinians are saved by a Trump presidency - and it's very likely that MORE will die compared to a Biden administration, considering Trump's all-in attitude with Netanyahu. Not only are no Palestinians saved, but many Ukrainians, Americans, and Taiwanese will likely suffer and die in not inconsiderable numbers directly due to a Trump presidency.

As such, it's difficult to look at someone grieving and saying "Everyone's throat should be cut, not just my son's!" and react with sympathy when that has very real effects on whether or not everyone's throat gets cut.

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[–] Primarily0617@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

Statistically, your one vote is as meaningful whether you vote for a major party or a third party.

You don't vote to get your preferred candidate in. You vote to pull the one that might closer to where you want them.

Voting for Biden is voting for a genocide, whether you want it to be or not. Assuming Biden gets in, all you've done is tell the DNC that their voter base actually don't care all that much about genocide.

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