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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 206 points 8 months ago (21 children)

was python ever irrelevant?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 111 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nope. This cartoon is horseshit.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Yeah. Look at any dev job listing and it's all "Python, C++, or Java experience preferred"

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

Perhaps as the new hotness to web devs, but Python was a mainstay in science way before Django.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 40 points 8 months ago (7 children)

For about the first five years of its life, it was eclipsed by Perl. That's about it. I don't think anything will ever unseat Python as too many people's first and last language.

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[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 122 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yesterday I would have argued that with the rails framework Ruby is a great way to rapidly develop a scalable application. Today I started having an intermittent failure in one of my API instances and when searching about it the only thing I could find was one obscure blogpost that boiled down to “yeah sometimes Ruby Ave active record just screws up the character set off a string” exact same string, different results. Excuse me Ruby? How the fuck can you sometimes screw up a character set? There should be no sometimes to any thing here.

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 87 points 8 months ago

I like Ruby most of the time, but honestly, I'm not surprised at "sometimes" behavior from the language created by someone who, when asked for the formal definition of something in the language, said he's "not really a formal kind of guy."

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[–] otl@hachyderm.io 97 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Mastodon is written in Ruby. Nowhere near as big as Facebook or the ML field, but hey, it's important to a couple of us at least :)

@programming @nifty

[–] pkill@programming.dev 39 points 8 months ago (4 children)

and therefore scales terribly ;;

[–] arc@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It probably wasn't a big deal when it was a niche project until Twitter imploded. Then all the public instances got overloaded with new users and the limits became obvious.

A better design is Lemmy which is written in Rust so it has far more scalability. It's compiled and because it's tokio / actix based, it can also do a lot more stuff asynchronously so it's not spawning thousands of threads to cope with concurrent requests.

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[–] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 17 points 8 months ago

Hi there! Your text contains links to other Lemmy communities, here are correct links for Lemmy users: !programming@programming.dev

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[–] caleb@programming.dev 79 points 8 months ago (3 children)

As a Rails engineer with 14 years experience, I can say the place that should be in the 3rd panel is Shopify. They employ so many ruby and rails core committers and directly fund a good many rails gems, and ruby community infrastructure it's insane. They're also directly funding the development of things like the YJIT and speed enhancements to MRI itself.

Then there's all the other places I know or worked at built on Ruby where my other long tenured ruby friends work.

  • Gusto
  • Airbnb
  • Clearbit
  • Stripe
  • Github
  • Gitlab
  • Bold Penguin
[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ruby was recommended to me by my comparative programming languages professor. I haven't picked it up, but there were memes that this professor was so good at programming he was secretly built by the university in C++ to teach students how to write better code.

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[–] SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 46 points 8 months ago (4 children)

One of the most known programming tool is built on Ruby, Github.

[–] MilderRichter@feddit.de 38 points 8 months ago

GitLab also uses Ruby on Rails

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 42 points 8 months ago

So I know it's supposed to be an arm, but those language be dummy thicc

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the perl monks have hidden away the monastic order safely until they are needed to fight the ai demons

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[–] settoloki@lemmy.one 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Should be wordpress and not Facebook for php. Which still makes up the majority of websites.

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[–] somas@kbin.social 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

@nifty I have nothing against Ruby and think it’s a nice flexible language. At the peak of RoR though, all the asshats were all over Ruby.

My problem with Ruby wasn’t even RoR, it was with the way the asshats valued ~~creativity~~ “cleverness” which seemed to mean writing code in the most cryptic ways possible. These folks took what should be an expressive language and wrote scripts that rivaled Perl’s worst “read once and never again” scripts.

[–] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 8 months ago

I never did Rails but I used Ruby for many personal projects in the 2000s.

When showing stuff to my coworkers or friends, I often joked how I tried to make my code look like it was already gzipped.

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[–] tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

RoR is too much magic for me. Getting started with any new code base is such a pain that I never want to do again. As a manager, I'll avoid any job post that mentions Ruby. I have maintained projects written in Delphi, Centura, Java, C#, PHP and none of them even come close to the pain of RoR. Java and C# are notorious for ceremonial interfaces but that's nothing compared to trying to figure out RoR automagics.

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[–] visnae@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Hey Ruby debs, lookup Elixir. It's supposedly similar syntax but run on the Erlang VM instead. Lots of cool companies use it, and a great community. 🤗

[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 8 months ago

I've written a non-trivial amount of Elixir. It's nice, but I wouldn't say it's like Ruby. It's more heavily functional, and it wants you to work with data in an immutable way. If you're coming from a language that doesn't force immutability, then you'll be miserable until you get your head around how to work that way.

I really like it, though. Especially now that it's getting optional typing.

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[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I had to learn Fortran for my thesis because it's the industry standard in particle physics

[–] geogle@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Physics changes with retirements. FORTRAN should received it's gold watch and shown the door about 20 years ago now.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I would say wordpress over Facebook for php

[–] dan@upvote.au 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah...

Facebook hasn't used PHP for a long time. They use Hack which started as a language similar to PHP, but it's very different now - it's strongly-typed and has a bunch of advanced features, like the ability to annotate functions as pure (no side effects), which gets enforced by the type checker.

[–] s12@sopuli.xyz 22 points 8 months ago

Rails: “No. Don’t worry Ruby.”
Ruby: “Huh?”
Rails: *Hugs Ruby
Rails: “We’re becoming irrelevant.”

Together forever!

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Enterprise will keep the withered husk of Java EE crawling for eternity

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago

Ruby -> Rails.

It just hasn't had a second revival.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Goddammit, I'm feeling for an anthropomorphic programming language that I don't even know.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Is PHP becoming irrelevant? It still comprises the vast majority of web pages out there. Maybe that has been going down but with he amount of competing languages and systems out there, that is to be expected.

Either way, it's an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (5 children)

PHP is horrible, I hate it, and I will not elaborate. Good day, sir.

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[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now

Mind taking a moment to share why you like it? I am not very familiar with it.

[–] bier@feddit.nl 11 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I'm not the one you asked, but what I like isn't really about PHP itself, but the fact that I can get dirt cheap hosting with PHP and MySQL. Every time I want to create a small "app" that makes some manual task easier it's very useful to create something I can access from the internet.

Python is really useful for stuff like that too, but (in my experience) not as easy and cheap to use as an web app.

For example I go to dinner with some friends every month and we always forget who's turn it is to choose and book a restaurant. So I just made this PHP page that shows the current and next 2 months with a name. So we always use that to see who's turn it is.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on how you're judging relevance.

93% of webpages could be PHP because of Wordpress, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of PHP developers.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Those hentai games and visual novel games still keeping ruby lang relevant tho, rpgmaker game engine is one of examples

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] linux2647@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Shopify is built on Ruby on Rails

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I wrote extensively in Ruby but for Rake - using Ruby as a build system. Can't say I liked the language although it was okay for how we used it. We have 20 sub projects with some very complex build targets and dependency scanning going on and the Rake syntax was okay. Personally I think its biggest shortcoming was the documentation was very poor and stuff like gems felt primitive compared to other package management systems. One thing I liked from the language was blocks could evaluate to a value which I really use a lot in Rust too.

I think if I were doing an acyclic dependency build system these days I'd use Gradle probably.

As for Rails I expect failed to catch on because even compared to Python, Ruby is a slow language. And Python isn't fast by any stretch. Projects that started with Rails hit the performance brick wall and moved to something else.

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[–] Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The only place I've seen ruby used extensively is in environments with a lot of regular expressions and string manipulation. Still not entirely sure why I've only seen it used there. The regex tools in ruby are nice but they aren't nice enough to justify a language switch in my opinion...

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Off to the Island of Misfit Toys then.

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