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Someone else came up with this.
Imagine you're in a clinic. Fire breaks out. You have a choice; save a living baby or 5,000 frozen embryos.
This is the new Republican "trolley problem".
Republicans
Very simple. The living baby is a piece of shit, we only care about the unborn.
Another mouth to feed in the welfare state bleeding the job-creators dry.
Does that baby contribute to the economy?
Is the baby a Republican or Democrat?
Hamas.
I would love for someone to ask this to anyone who thinks an egg is a baby.
Having gone through IVF, I 100% thought of those embryos as my babies. But it's still a pretty easy choice to save the already-born baby.
I don't know why you're getting voted down for sharing your experience. That's not how the voting should work IMHO.
I get that you get an emotional connection and can see them as potential babies, but not real babies right? Aren't a lot of embryos discarded once the ivf is successful? I haven't been through one so you tell me. Losing one or more of those would be very VERY less traumatic than losing one of my born kids. At least to me, losing an embryo, or a few thousand wouldn't even register.
Thanks. I understand the clinical difference between embryos and babies, yes. But emotionally you feel that connection after everything it takes to just have potentially viable embryos.
It's up to the individuals if they save or discard any unused embryos, if there even are any. It's pretty crazy how few potentially viable embryos you end with compared to how many were fertilized compared to how many eggs were collected.
It's months and months of other less invasive options to even get to IVF. And when you do get to IVF it can be months to years of giving your partner hormone injections and constant blood work to have a pregnancy, much less a pregnancy that makes it to full term and live birth. You can go cycles without any viable embryos. Or it can work on the first try. But in either case, it's already been a huge investment to get there.
So at that point, your emotional attachment is considerably different than for someone whose reproductive experience is simply having sex for a few months or unintentional.
Another factor here is the DNA health of the embryos, the younger you were when the embryos were created the healthier they are. When you're over 40 there are huge increases of various things like Autism and Down Syndrome. If patients had embryos from before that age but have since passed that age, and the embryos were improperly destroyed, you can't effectively remediate that with new cycles of treatment.
I don't agree with the Alabama court's ruling here, but these patients whose embryos were destroyed deserve restitution.
That's one of the shitty thing about politics these days, it's forcing every position into two extremes. Like here. I think it's perfectly reasonable to consider an embryo to be more than just any other mass of cells, mainly because of the potential it offers. But putting embryos on the same level as children who have already gestated and born seems bonkers to me, because so much development needs to take place and the results are not at all certain.
But anyone who tries to thread that line is going to get skewed by both sides. It's one thing to get meaningless down votes, of course, but another thing entirely to be a politician whose job it is to make these laws. How far would you go to try to make a sane law when you know neither side will ne happy, so both will work against you?
Do they have social security numbers? Can the hospital claim them as dependents? Can an eighteen-year-old embryo vote?
They’ll recruit the 18 year old embryos into the military.
Republicans in a race to the bottom to figure out who can say the stupidest thing possible. Between this and Jewish space lasers, I think the competition is heating up.
I just realized, why isn’t Israel using the space lasers to level Gaza?
Because they're the most moral army in the world. :-/
everything is a fucking baby nowadays. quick hypothetical: you're in a burning building, in that building is a single two year old, and a cooler with 10,000 fertilized embryos in it. You can only grab one. Do you rescue the two year old, or 10,000 "babies"? If one embryo = one child then it's pretty obvious what the right decision is, right?
I just throw the 2 year old in the cooler and run. That should protect them from the fire right?
:P
If you run out with 51% of the 2 year old, that still counts as a baby right?
you need the torso and at least 2 limbs before they'll let you exchange it for a new one
An embryo is nothing without implantation.
Next step: conscripting women to carry them because the "life" of the embryo is more important than their own.
To recognize embryos as life would you not have to recognize sperm as life as well? Meaning that we have to recognize millions of deaths per ejaculation. How then can we say 100,000,000 lives killed is okay, but the embryo which I would argue is like a seed without sun/water/soil.
🎵🎶every sperm is sacred🎵🎶
Why is Nikki Haley starting a war on Christianity? Does she hate Jesus? Does she think she knows more than God? She is oppressing good religious people who follow the bible which says life begins at first breath. She will burn in hell.
Bible jeopardy time!
If the life of the flesh is in the blood and embryos don't have blood cells, then embryos are ____.
I can't believe they're allowing people to freeze their babies, leaving them alone in freezers with strangers for only god knows how long. I'm worried that some sick democrat might sneak in and give them a free lunch!
Paramecium? Baby.
Amoeba? Baby.
Toxoplasmosis gondii? Believe it or not, also baby.
Hey you fucking self-hating misogynistic dipshit, if "embryos" are the same as "babies" then why the fuck do we have different words to describe them?
Almost like words fucking matter.
Bruh. Nothing matters to these charlatans.
“Embryos, to me, a person who is not qualified to make the assessment and is not a doctor, are babies”
Fixed that for her
I cant wait for this cunt to fuck off into obscurity. After the generals and hopefully some damage to the leading republican traitor.
Sheer insanity.
Haley, to me, is an idiot.
Better start protesting outside IVF clinics then considering they destroy unused embryos.
You joke, but it sounds like IVF clinics are all but closing down in Alabama because of this ruling. The IVF parents who sued because they accidentally lost embryos have made it so no one can use IVF in the state at all.
I wonder if Haley is vegan. She seems willing to expand the definition of what is a life and what is sacred. Which is more alive, an adult cow or a single cell human embryo? Are either acceptable to eat? Why or why not?
So should women be considered child murderers when they ovulate and don't get pregnant?
Fucking stupid.
Cool, are you going to pay child support for them?
Oh, they're only babies when it comes to diminishing women's rights? Interesting.