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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Haha, there's still things embedded deep in code and in CPUs that go way back to the 80s. If only y'all knew. It's all shit built on top of older shit, built on top of even older shit with kludges and hacks to glue it all together. Know why Windows has five different ways to access the same setting? Because if they get rid of the older methods, they break a ton of other shit that depends on it too. A house of cards or a Jenga tower.

A modern PC can STILL natively boot a DOS floppy from 1986 in legacy BIOS mode because of this.

Theres also examples in the corporate world where some companies are STILL running 70s mainframes, and use shiny new PCs as front end terminals that just connect to the same old backend.

[–] Pokethat@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The control panel peaked at windows 7 though

[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

everything Windows peaked with Windows 7.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imma gonna stop you there and say the peak was Windows 2000.

[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Windows 2000 was definitely peak, for its time.

but Windows 7 eclipsed it, and remains the best microsoft OS.. I will fight and die on this hill <3

[–] BlueFire@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

If we ignore the spontaneous BSOD, Windows 98 had the best performance among all systems lol

[–] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Seriously, each new windows update just adds a fresh new coat of paint on top, as if to make finding the actually useful win 7 and xp menus, that are still there, harder.

Linux Mint feels to me like what windows 10/11 should've been

[–] Splyntre@unilem.org 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is super interesting and I had NO IDEA! Makes me very curious how much more efficient an entire fresh start might be with new tech.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I can't even think of any recent CPUs that aren't based on previous designs. Even Apple's new M1 is an ARM derivative, which itself is based on an ancient computer from the 80s known as the "Acorn".

It's a bit poetic. They were directly competing with Apple at the time, and Acorn named themselves such so that they would appear in front of Apple in the phone book. Of course, they haven't existed in a long time, but 35-40 years later, Apple decides to use the great-grandson of Acorn's CPU in their new products.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

This is one of the reasons why Linux doesn't have a stable in-kernel API (or ABI for that matter): https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst

[–] mineapple@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CPU architecture wise, you can see the difference between cluttered, old x86 and ARM or even RISC-V chips. They just run so much more efficient, as you can tell with your phone lasting a day or two, or apple silicon consuming a fraction for the same performance.

An example for the ancient backend would be the flight pathing system DAL. (Wendover video)

[–] fred@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Fresh starts are always tempting, but they mean throwing out a ton of babies with that bathwater. Re-making old mistakes and solving them with fresh kludges in your nice, new, clean solution.

Like everything else in engineering, it's a balancing act.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, just don't look deeper into symlinks in NTFS . And don't look for extended file attributes in task scheduler.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Hell, the world still runs on an instruction set first designed for a 1976 CPU

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Neanderthal Technology File System

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Not That Fresh System

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago

It's newer than FAT (1977)

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The guy in charge of thinking of a new acronym probably retired 10 years ago.

[–] sci@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago

There's actually a retired microsoft engineer who makes very interesting videos about these kinds of things: https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage

[–] herzberd@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It was probably Dave or somebody he worked with lol. Super interesting videos talking about tech stuff, windows, and what MS was like during his time

[–] Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi 18 points 1 year ago

But they change UI design every time Bill farts

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Never name anything with "New" in the name, it will look silly after a few years.

[–] Spider89@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Join Ext4!

[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or APFS

It’s open source too

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

I lean more towards butter

[–] Spider89@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What?

I'm sure it's still proprietary.

APFS, right?

[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You’re right.

That’s weird because I still remember the keynote where it was announced and I use an OS lib on Linux that I was sure was maintained by Apple.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why didn't they still not roll it out for general userbase?

Edit: Confused it with Microsofts new fs.

[–] joneskind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They did.

It’s up to OS developers to implement it or not on their OSes

I use libsfapfs on Linux, but as always when Apple does anything open source, the Linux community hates it

Darwin WebKit Swift and its compiler APFS ALAC …

The only widely used open source project from Apple that I know is CUPS

The only things in macOS that are not open source are related to its GUI.

But you know… Apple bad as usual

As a developer, most of Linux users I know develop in Java and dual-boot on Windows to play games.

[–] bufordt@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, new technology because it was the file system for Windows NT, which originally stood for.... Windows New Technology.

Later Microsoft decided to just use NT as a moniker without any indication of it's origins.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Me and my mates used to say it was short for "Not Tested". Oh, how we laughed

[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

how dare you bring this common sense to the guffahery!

[–] slampisko@czech-lemmy.eu 12 points 1 year ago

New York be like:

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ReFS is a thing, but apparently not intended as a replacement (?)

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/refs/refs-overview

[–] silverwing@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Apparently Microsoft is going to move win 11 to refs but idk when. For all we know it might be in windows 12 only

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Good to know.

[–] Sipuloija@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Wasn’t that supposed to be come out with Longhorn? Wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it.

[–] OR3X@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Hey! 30 isn't that old... Right?

[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

New? Still can't read ext4 fs.

[–] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It was new at the time. Anyway, what is the best file system to use nowadays? zfs?

[–] bottom_text@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I think zfs is very popular with the honeserver crowd, but its not worth the hassle for desktop use. If you want something more fancy than ext4 there is btrfs which lets you take snapshots and checksums the data to detect corruption

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ZFS is brilliant and all, as long as you only add disks, too bad if you want to rearrange your disks, you have to buy a new set of disks and move the data.

Btrfs is much better for home use, combine your old 3, 4 and 8tb disks into one, buy a new 16tb disk you add it and remove the 3tb disk.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on usecase. Just works: ext3/4.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, it's still way better than Fat, but incredibly incompatible with a lot of things still and new usb drives are always FAT. Shame ntfs didn't catch on more.

[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

External storage is always FAT, because everything can read FAT, so it just makes life easier for file transfers.

Not because NTFS/ext4/etc doesnt work on usb sticks.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that's the shame. Ntfs been around for decades, would be great for usb as it allows faster transfer speeds and more secure. Would have been nice if more devices included it so it wasn't such a compatibility barrier.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

The hardest problem in computer science is naming things. And counting things.

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