There should be a second part of this comic that documents the ending where Lot's daughters fuck their dad to be sure they are impregnated by a "godly" man
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Not just that, but they got him drunk and raped him in a cave.
I can't tell if you are just trying to trick me into reading the bible to find out about all the degenerate shit in there.
No bamboozle. It's really that fucked up
31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
we may preserve seed of our father
so, like, being a daughter does not qualify?
There's also a song in it that celebrates Israelite soldiers killing babies by bashing their heads against rocks.
But you know, god told them to do it so clearly it was a good, moral thing to do.
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Remember a few months ago when conservatives in America were banning books due to violence and sexual tones? Yeah someone submitted the bible and it unsurprising got banned due to numerous passages not just having such themes but glorifying them. If any book should not be around children due to sex and violence the bible should absolutely top that list. If you wanted to make a true to source material series on the Bible, getting it rated R would require serious cuts and revisions, and a totally accurate adaption would easily be NC-17
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Yeah, but that’s just the kind of thing that a guy who forcibly raped his daughters would say.
the kind of thing that a guy who forcibly raped his daughters would say.
They got me drunk and took advantage of me...
Yeah. The story served as propaganda against two of Judah's neighboring countries. It claimed that each were descended from incest.
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There's a theme in the old testament that people become nations, e.g. Israel (Jacob) was one of the the sons of Isaac who begat the tribe/nation of Israel. Lot's daughters who had nonconsensual sex with him while he was unconscious begat Moab and Ammon which went onto create the nations of Moab and Ammon who were neighbors of the ancient Israelites, they were in fairly constant conflict with the Israelites. The story of lot's rape can be interpreted as a very old and elaborate "your mother fucked her father" joke.
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The bible more directly endorses war rape:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 ESV
When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
'Spoils of war' sounds a little different when you consider this, and the medieval blindness to the age of consent. I wonder how many incels of the past joined the crusades to get a pussy without any responsibilities.
Probably a lot. Think about the most rural places in Afghanistan, a culture disconnected from the world without a modern education. That was the majority of people in the past.
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Yahweh was originally a Levantine god of war, which explains the violent and weird accounts in the Old Testament.
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is this something they really put in the Bible to adhere to? Like you can do the deed but let them cry for a month first 😭
People will always draw the line for acceptable behavior just past where they find themselves.
With that in mind we can surmise that the person that wrote this was very likely guilty of war rape, but he thought highly of himself for letting the woman grieve first. Very likely the people he was writing this for were also commonly guilty of war rape and thought little of it.
That time and that culture, women didn't give consent. Their fathers or husbands did. If she had no father or husband, then there was no one to deny a man that lusted for her. Some parts of the world still operate on this barbaric thinking.
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Oddly specific ask of the Bible
That's ridiculous.
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 ESV
The whole Bible is full of insane ridiculous shit like this. It baffles me that people say they live their lives by it and don't even know what it says.
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God also turned Lots wife into a pillar of salt for commiting the heinous crime of checks book again looking over her shoulder, that harlot!
Also, once they were homeless those same daughters drugged and raped him!
The Bible: fun for the whole family!
The pillar-of-salt thing is really weird, even for a deity as capricious as Yahweh. He doesn't strike her dead. He turns her into salt. There must be something that got lost in translation there.
I think that area where the story was supposed to have happened is known for having salt pillars, so maybe it was like a warning, "look at all those that got punished"
No, Sodom & Gomorrah were where the Dead Sea is. Very very salty & unique sea. So wife to pillar of salt follows the theme of violent, quick, salty death.
As HAL 9 TRILLION had numerous examples, there are more like John the Baptist's father & Abraham's wife Sarah, etc etc etc. All are related by a general rule: do not question the religion/authority figures of the religion, do not talk back or doubt the religious authority, do as you are told & nothing more, nothing less. The Bible calls for blind, unquestioning obedience in all things. I guess it could also be called 'faith'.
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I've been getting into some early Christian / Biblical textual analysis and history and apparently the people who wrote the Sodom story would not have understood the concept of homosexuality as an orientation, their conception was entirely act-based and focused on penetrator vs penetrated.
So this story, the primary anti-gay biblical story, is better understood as showing the Sodomites violating Guest Right, and Lot being such a good host that he expends resources (gives away his daughters to be raped) to keep his guests safe.
Just goes to show how cultural context is important in reading texts.
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What about the part where his daughters rape him?
Is that you, step-prophet?
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Ok where's the rest of the comic
I thought only my former religion, Islam, had this bullshit. Turned out they're all the same.
All Abrahamich religions that stem from the same root, Christianity was a direct fork from Judism and Islam having its own roots in both and a few other inputs further east of Palestine.
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Don't forget the part where Lot's daughters get him drunk and rape him
Magic booze - got him so polluted he couldn't recognize his daughters, but left him functional enough to get it up and fuck them...
For those of you who don't know your full Biblical history, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah continues with Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt and then his daughters get drunk and fuck Lot.
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Ahhh stories like this in the Bible are always conveniently overlooked during Sunday school. I wonder why that is? 🤔🤔
Turns out, half of the bible was just a bunch of dudes talking about their rape and incest kinks.
Or the one where the girls get their father drunk and get pregnant by him.
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And the other part of that fucked up story is that the "moral" (and I use that word very loosely) is supposed to be about being kind to strangers in your Country.
What's arguably even more fucked up is that the basic assumption the story relies on is that the audience is intended to see Lot's choice not as a betrayal towards his daughters, but as a personal sacrifice in giving up his property. This was considered to be so obvious to the people of its time that it goes unstated.
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I would say that Lot's being a good host. His parenting could use some work.
The major issue is that women are property in that culture, whereas the guests are men and have rights
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y'know... maybe if I were a 2100 year old Palestinian goat-herder living under Roman rule, I just might believe this shit...
The kind of person that considers women as chattel, and less valuable than the favor of strangers,
Edit to add: there’s another passage in judges that follows the same pattern- judges 19:22; except it’s the guy’s concubine instead of daughters.
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