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[–] protist@mander.xyz 96 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't know a single person who's "blindly loyal" to Biden. Most people I know think he's overall pretty reasonable and certainly disagree with him on some things. I also know quite a few Trump voters, as I do live in Texas, and those people are beyond rationality at this point. Trying to have a conversation about an issue is utterly useless, because all they know how to do is restate whatever line they've been fed by whatever conservative media they watch.

My point is this tweet is absolutely bullshit

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It's not so much the blind loyalty as much as it is the "shh, don't talk bad about what we all know." Different, but feels the same.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think it's more that people are terrified of Biden being criticized harshly while Trump gets a similar treatment. If news and pundits treat the two the same, it equates them. Which is NOT REALITY. But if outlets treat them as the same, there's a real good chance we get Trump. And there's a not insignificant chance if that happens we won't have another fair election again.

Biden has a lot of problems but they are absolutely nothing compared to Trump on all the same counts and vastly more.

[–] Soulg@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Yes, it's exactly this. It's the idea that you're feeding into the "both sides" bullshit.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Yeah I’m worried equating the too will lead to voter apathy. And voter apathy leads to Trump winning (like it did the first time). If we have to have a grandpa in charge, focus on the competency of their advisers.

On is doing a lot to help the country. The other is planning an active takeover and purge of “half the ones who don’t agree with our dictatorship”.

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 87 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Stewart simply spoke the truth. Candidates are supposed to convince people to vote for them. That’s their job. Biden’s communications people hiding behind “He’s not Trump and is competent at the job” is a repeat of Hillary’s 2016 strategy, and the polling numbers actually supported that strategy in 2016. The reality was very different when the votes were counted.

Relying on that strategy in 2024 is playing Russian roulette with American democracy. Biden needs a better communications team. Ideally younger.

[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

The DNC should have also given their own other candidates support as well to give some semblance of a choice (except for the one that isn't even eligible and is basically a Republican). Perhaps it wouldn't have to be A few McCheeseburgers from death narcissist moron trying to stay out of prison vs. Dazed and Confused, replacement hips are now a matter of national security

The DNC has once again failed their voter pool by trying to pre-pick their candidate. Last time, it ended in them disbanding their Super Delegates after causing a "fuck them both, I'm staying home" voter mentality.

I'm agreeing with you and perhaps being a little too overzealous about it but I can't believe that they are doing this again when they lost doing it the last time.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

The incumbent president always has more support than another candidate in the same party. They know they can’t risk running someone else when the incumbent president will always have a bias from the voters.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

HRC won the vote. EC appointed tfg🤷🏻‍♀️

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

She won the vote. She lost the election. It's important to win the election.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The fact that this happened should tell everyone that the US political system is completely broken.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 5 points 9 months ago

I agree that it should be improved to better reflect current population and demographics, but she entered the election Knowing the rules and system. She lost due to bad electioneering, bad strategy, hubris and a decades long negative campaign against her.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

In order to fix it we need candidates who can win in the general election.

[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Elections don’t win votes, however….

[–] ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Seems like votes don't necessarily win elections, either.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Where's the meltdown because I haven't heard a peep

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Oh it's everywhere!

Like in the heads of the journalist.

And let's not forget that one tweet.

And I think I saw someone wrote a sad face in a bathroom stall.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

To them it's "everywhere" because for so long the conversation about so many 2020 DNC primary voters making selfish and foolish decisions has been successfully swept under the rug. Now that it's being mentioned at all they're freaking out because they're losing control of the narrative.

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[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The worst part of it for me was listening to Kamala Harris briefly speak about the President. She kind of stays in the shadows for the most part, but every time she emerges to speak, I feel as though she's politically disingenuous and borders on being Lois Griffin saying "NINE ELEVEN" for applause.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What the hell am I looking at in this image? Someone inventing reactions to what's literally just a network announcement? Why am I not being show the "meltdown"?

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I feel in America that anyone labeling another "liberals" is telegraphing a lot of incoming bullshit and won't be worth the time after that.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's unfortunate that the term liberal has so thoroughly deviated from its original meaning due to right wingers who forget they are also liberals. I hate using it as a leftist because people assume I'm an American conservative which is unfortunate because liberal is a very useful term for classifying western capitalist ideolouges.

I personally blame SJWS FAILS AND CRINGE COMPILATION #6 published on August 4th 2016 by SJWCentral on YouTube specifically for this phenomenon. /s

do not actually go watch this they don't deserve views it doesn't pertain to anything I said it's just a joke

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[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Right up there with "Democrat Party" and "woke"

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it goes something like this:

Dems are (rightly) scared to death of another Trump presidency.
Therefore Dems feel they should do everything they can to avoid a Trump presidency.
By trying to make everyone think the only realistic alternative (Biden) is not just better, but vastly better.
And when they see criticism of Biden (especially from left-of-what-the-U.S.-considers-center), they start having visions of Trump in the Oval Office again and panicking.
Fear leads to anger, anger to hate, hate to pretending Biden's perfect.
Because if they admit Biden isn't perfect, the vast numbers (/s) of centrists who haven't decided who to vote for in the general election might vote for Trump.

It's the same logic as crypto "investors." Their favorite cryptocurrency only goes up and they only make money off of it if they portray it as perfect. And pretty soon they stop differentiating between what makes line go up and what is actually true entirely. (And they absolutely cannot under any circumstances admit to even the tiniest flaw or valid criticism of the coins they're invested in.)

[–] protist@mander.xyz 20 points 9 months ago (20 children)

Who is pretending Biden's perfect?! From where are y'all pulling this stuff?

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm mostly referring to what this article is saying.

But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended "Blue Wave" and "Resistance" labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That article is based around four tweets from total randos and the hot takes of a couple famous people. And none of them anywhere state or even imply Biden's perfect

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

They have a doctor with rubber gloves and a flashlight that helps them figure out what liberals are thinking.

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[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s Biden or Bust, bud.

Victory or Death.

[–] ringwraithfish@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

See, here's an example of someone who thinks Biden is perfect! CULT CULT CULT /s

If Dems ran a viable alternative to Biden then it's likely they would have the nomination. Unfortunately, the DNC set their strategy and have no choice but to see it through to the end at this point.

Best thing Republicans could do is run Nikki Haley. She has a real chance of pulling centrists to the right against Biden and his age.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If Dems ran a viable alternative to Biden then it’s likely they would have the nomination.

There's a primary and no one is even close. There are no good alternatives mostly because no one is dumb enough to run against an incumbent. If Biden was not seeking nomination then yeah. But the bias towards incumbents is too strong to take a chance like that on. You'll just end up with an otherwise viable candidate losing by 50-60% and looking terrible. Potentially torpedoing their chances next cycle.

[–] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

It’s always good to see some ELI5 to the people here. It’s such a fundamentally obvious fact about how things work, but even on a base level- people just don’t get how that works.

Thanks for spelling it out. Hopefully it helps some people under how things work.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

A lot of that has to do with how the DNC is run based on seniority. With the Democrats they will only really let you near power/funding if you've done the time, and have proven that you can be a party player.

The vetting process has its benefits, it cuts down on the cult of personality types that can destabilize the platform. However, it also tends to filter out anyone more progressive than the party leadership, and basically ensures that key leadership roles are filled with people who should have retired in the early 00s.

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