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Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It's obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is "better" or more "long-term viable" or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it's all one happy family.

That said, it's notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the "Reddit-like fedi instance" game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

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[–] z2k_@lemmy.nz 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just note that kbin.social currently has Cloudflare DDoS protection enabled which is breaking federation. Until this is removed, the communities are seperate.

[–] Helio@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Good to know, I was wondering why I couldn't see any kbin stuff here

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've got my lemmy instance proxied through cloudflare. It can work if you make it work. It does take a page rule to get around some of the bot detection nonsense.

[–] UselesslyBrisk@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago

It may be worth passing that rule/config over to @Ernest@kbin.social

The captcha bot detector thing seems to be making it wonkier.

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[–] pinkpatrol@anarch.is 39 points 1 year ago

I think it mainly comes down to the project landing page being more friendly and the UI being more polished.

The landing page of join-lemmy.org doesn't show what the website looks like. The only screenshots are of code and github. That section is geared towards potential instance administrators, not potential users.

[–] uthredii@beehaw.org 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I am on both and kbin seems less active.

Perhaps the numbers are counted different?

lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has visited the site.

Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has cisited the site.

The data is from The-Federation.info, and the idea is that the metric is about users whose accounts were active over the last month. I think "active" in both cases means "has logged in recently".

Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.

Absolutely. Sending all the hugs and good vibes, the Big Wave has not even started yet, I think.

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[–] bad_alloc@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn't have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).

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[–] PeaPanties@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (13 children)

The lack of app for KBin kills it for me.

I have a account with KBin and I may use it as well if there's an app

[–] spamfajitas@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On Android, you can add it to your home screen and it functions kind of like an app... it could definitely benefit from a native app, though.

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[–] wit@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That mstdn.social and the whole "lemmy = tankie" (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts..

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

I did not say "lemmy = tankie", I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).

Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the "unreddit" movement now, but I'd wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).

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[–] nii236@lemmy.jtmn.dev 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.

So even if it did succeed, it won't be for long.

[–] venuswasaflytrap@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If history has taught me anything - I would say that means that kbin will persist forever.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.

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[–] Gecko@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I generally prefer kbin's UI over lemmy's but given the backend is in PHP I have concerns that it might not be able to scale effectively with its growth.

Not saying that PHP is a complete showstopper but there are valid concerns in terms of maintainability...

[–] reric88@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Can you explain this in simple terms for simple minds like mine? And I only ask for other people like me who may wonder but not ask

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[–] croobat@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great news to me I'm not "pro-lemmy", I am "anti-reddit".

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Same! I use a Lemmy instance myself. I'm just happy to see there is diversity in terms of software projects in the Threadiverse.

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[–] Sleeping@iusearchlinux.fyi 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Just took a look at the stats on The-Federation.info and looks like Lemmy is doing just fine.

Lemmy Stats: 162 Nodes 90,053 Users 277,427 Posts 610,007 Comments

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

I just noticed the same thing. I do not see a stat that shows kbin is overtaking lemmy.

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[–] daan@lemmy.vanoverloop.xyz 24 points 1 year ago

The cloudflare protection of their main instance is breaking federation right now, which is a bit annoying. I hope this will be resolved soon.

[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] communist@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I keep hearing similar things, but not a single person has linked to a comment or anything the devs have actually said.

Where can I read about this? I want to see what they said.

[–] communist@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't see much proof there outside of some "this definitely happened" type thing. Not that I don't believe them but that's not the strongest proof.

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[–] Towerism@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Personally, I'm loyal to Beehaw. I like the culture that it is trying to grow. But I like how I can subscribe to things outside of beehaw as long the instance has federation enabled.

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[–] farizer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago

I tried kbin but it currently slow as hell at least for me. It definitely is more inviting with its design though.

[–] deephurting@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A couple times a day when I go to kbin they Cloudflare me...kinda irritating. beehaw or Squabbles are down with a VPN dropping by, apparently. Or whatever's at work here.

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[–] biscuitsofdoom@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (17 children)
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[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can someone explain the "tankie" baggage? I've seen it thrown around quite a bit but no one seems to explain it in detail.

[–] brunox@feddit.cl 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

(Some) Lemmy devs seem to have political ideologies that are within the "tankie" settings. That's mostly it. Some people express they feel uncomfortable about it. Such devs hold an instance separate from the flagship instance (lemmygrad.ml), which in my opinion is not bad at all, I think it's better they keep them to themselves giving an option to other instances to block it. They're not trying to shove tankies ideas down anyones throats or anything.

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[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any ideas what are the pros and cons of each option?

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy is written in Rust, has been around for a while, and there are a bunch of established communities on established Lemmy instances already.

KBin is sadly PHP, relative newcomer, arguably better interface, and no baggage.

That's all I got myself. Hope others will chip in.

[–] leetnewb@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Why is php a bad thing in this case? It seems like exactly the kind of application that php is well suited for. Plus there's the maturity of php's major frameworks. While I'm not saying Rust is necessarily bad for building web applications, it's web frameworks must be less mature and battle tested. Plus, it seems like a lower bar to get community dev contributions for a php project than rust.

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