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[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 69 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Is this her answer to defending Biden’s age? I am patiently waiting to become president when he dies?

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't this what every vice president does? It's literally the job of the vice president.

I'm sure Pence was just waiting for Donnie to choke on a hamburger.

[–] fedroxx@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

From New York city conman to whack a doodle evangelical... There truly was no upside.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean for every president it's a valid concern. Not everyone can live to 95.

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Sure but this means the Biden administration is simultaneously saying that Biden is not too old to be president - but that if he does happen to die of old age then Kamala is ready to serve.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's her response to an interview question. She's not openly bragging about this, so I'm struggling to figure out why y'all stopped reading at the headline. The interviewer made it a thing, and she responded in kind. This isn't "the Biden administration saying" anything.

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So the vice President is not the Biden administration now? This is getting curiouser and curiouser

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're clearly trying to misinterpret the situation. The Administration isn't coming out with some kind of position statement, as if they needed to make their official stance known. They're not coordinating a message. She was directly asked if voters' concerns mean she must convince them she's ready to serve, and she responded with "there’s no question about that."

You filled in the rest about them talking out of both sides of their mouths.

[–] Tremble@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, I’m not. Biden’s age is a real concern among voters. Kamala said she is ready to serve.

That’s exactly what she is saying. She’s a politician. The vice presidents answer to responding to Biden’s concerns about age is that she is ready to serve. How do you not see that?

I get that you would rather have anyone else than trump.

The writing is on the wall and the democrat party is driving off the cliff to a trump win.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

No. It's saying the obvious.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Reading the actual article, the context is not so awkward, at least not because she made it so.

The person asking the question specifically raised the "are you ready to serve if he can't?". The interviewer specifically took it there, rather than her voluntarily choosing to take the conversation there.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One of Biden's biggest mistakes was choosing Harris as his VP, she's been pretty much worthless as a VP, other than doing her tiebreaker votes, but I'm pretty sure anyone in that position would've done the same exact thing. Still though, apart from recent history, VP's have usually been pretty much ceremonial in that role, so maybe it's more a return to form having someone like her there, rather than a Cheney or a Biden actually being considered a key part of the administration.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Biden being a VP was the only other reason to vote for him besides his stated ability to negotiate with Senate Republicans...

They were both bullshit reasons. When a candidate the party likes can't win a primary, they make them a VP and then claim that makes them experienced.

Hell, with Biden they even said that wouldn't happen because of his age, then over a decade later he still became president.

There's an obsession about name recognition, ignorant of the fact that even the most politically disengaged Americans will know both candidates before the general even starts.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also, one of the critical qualities people seek for a VP is that they’re boring.

You dont pick a vp that’s popular- they might get more popular than you- and you don’t pick a vo that’s “controversial”

One might risk more, if the person is from a battleground state and is popular,

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Biden gave her basically all meh jobs as VP too. Might have been on purpose. Give her something to do without setting her up to primary him.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

she wasn't popular enough to primary him. there was some issues, IIRC, with her history as a prosecutor (of the "tough on crime" sort.) She's certainly more qualified that Trump, or anyone trump would pick as a VP at this point; but I don't think she'd win her own election... even if Biden had worked to set her up to replace him.

[–] aew360@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Can someone explain to me why I shouldn’t like Kamala Harris? And if someone says because she hasn’t been an effective VP, could someone show me an example of an effective VP in modern US history?

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Peoples arguments stem from her political career before VP specifically due to her being a cop, her strong support for stop and frisk, and some terrible policies which harmed the black community by propagating their mass incarceration along with poor standards of education and access to public services. To be clear though, still better than the guy who states he'll be a dictator for "a day" whose lawyer claimed in court he could have his political opposition killed and as long as he wasn't impeached, it'd be legal

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Additionally, Biden is one of the biggest proponents of the drug war and was more than happy to destroy people's lives over cannabis, all based on his own anecdotal fear towards drugs.

In 1986, then-Senator Joe Biden authored the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986–a critical component of the broader War on Drugs that devastated low-income communities of color through mass criminalization and systemic police violence.

Biden and Harris are just a step below Hillary Clinton when it comes to how muddy and shady they are. They really need more progressive people within the party who have the ability to rally Democrats to change. Like what Bernie tried, but find someone young who can actually bring about the change.

It's all better then Trump and the Republicans, but Harris and Biden are as right wing as you get from a democrat.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Cheney was pretty effective. Not that that was a good thing.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

He was part of the Nixon, Ford, and both Bush Whitehouses...served in Congress during Reagan.

He knew where a lot of bodies went, which helps you get your things done.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

As a VP backing up Biden, I think she's swell. As the candidate who has to beat Trump, I don't think she's strong enough. She shat the bed in the primary debates, and she has a complicated record as a prosecutor and previously supported policies that make it easy to criticize. She's either "evolved" on divisive issues, or she's on the wrong side of history.

The same could be said of Biden, but he has the decades of connections and experience, not to mention charisma, that helped him pull ahead in the primary and the general in 2020. I don't like him, and I think he's very beatable, but I think Harris would be much worse. In an open primary, I don't think Harris would win the nomination, even running as an incumbent (like if Biden stepped down). Maybe if Biden wins and then immediately steps down, giving her four years to establish herself, she could craft a new identity. But it is too late for that now.

If Biden were unavailable as a candidate, we'll get four more years of Trump.

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To name a few:

-Championed and implemented legislation that put parents in prison if their child skipped school (truency)

-She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so

-Put 1900 people in prison for smoking weed, while giggling about smoking it herself

-Blocked access to 12$ DNA tests, to check if the preserved DNA from a crime is from the defendant.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/10/17/924766186/the-story-behind-kamala-harriss-truancy-program https://www.theblaze.com/news/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That is the big advantage of the Dems here. If Trump croaks before the election, the GOP has nothing but a field of debris. If Biden does, Harris is still there.

[–] kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 9 months ago (9 children)

You say that like it’s a good thing. She is very very unpopular.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Has she done something to earn that status? As far as I can tell, I just never hear about her. Over the last three presidents the only time I recall a VP being particularly prominent was when his president's followers called for his hanging.

[–] kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

People don’t like that she aggressively prosecuted people for weed. She’s a bland neo liberal like the rest of them.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Has she done something to earn that status?

Does that matter?

If she's unpopular, it really makes no difference why.

[–] _ffiresticks_@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Too at to the other answer... She's wishy-washy in her stances on issues, and talks in circles around things she's uncomfortable with( a lot of pols do this, admittedly) that's about as bad as it gets in a candidate for me. Tell me what you think and what you'll work for and stick to it. If that changes all the time then there's no way to trust it. Instant turn off.

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[–] lemmus@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

Right? Like, do we need to heat her up before she’s served or is she good at room temperature?

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Has she even spoken about abortion rights yet? I remember this video where she doesn't even say the word lol

Kamala Harris' BIZARRE Answer To Abortion Question - TMR 2022

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

At least this authoritarian will have a big ol (D) next to their name! That's what's important right guys?!

God I can't wait for HiroCheeto to croak so I can go back to hating on Dems without immediately getting some schpeel about solidarity. Yes, I'll vote Democrat, but fuck do I want an actual progressive party.

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