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This is why I'm cynical of Labour

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[–] Oneeightnine 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a Labour member and I'm cynical of Labour. Still gonna vote for them though, because as much as I think we need a fundamental change to our democratic system, it's been 14 years of absolute shit for the majority of us, and as someone with young kids, who's in receipt of benefits...who also rents and has a long-term health condition, I can't chance having another 14 years of Tory rule.

Part me me actually wonders if It wouldn't be better for the country to have a Labour/Lib/SNP coalition. I don't trust Starmer, and I think our system basically makes it impossible to ditch FPTP when one of the two main parties are only ever a scandal away from earning a majority.

[–] Fudoshin 7 points 9 months ago

I'm in a Labour safe-seat so I'll be doing a protest vote for whichever left-wing party meets my ideals or Lib Dem.

[–] Mrkawfee 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have no idea what Labour stand for other than supporting the bombing of Gaza and Yemen and not opposing the Tories on anything specific.

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Witch hunts, corporatism, obedience to capital ….all your favourites really

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I'm really not sure that we can say Labour support the bombing of Gaza. Had Starmer come out and condemned the bombing he would have been called anti-Semitic and the Tories would have repeated that constantly until the election

[–] wewbull 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it's pretty clear by now that "anti-semetic" holds no water. When Israel are abusing the term so blatantly whilst committing war crimes I don't think even the Tories want to be seen as supporting them.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I think they would still happily use it to beat the labour party with and attempt to link Starmer back to Corbyn in people's minds

[–] Mrkawfee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes they would have but as Israel's genocide is plain for all to see it would have had less impact. By being scared off he has ironically kept anti-semitism more potent a weapon to beat Labour with. He's a fucking useless strategist

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I mean, that certainly doesn't seem to be true now.

[–] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 9 months ago

businesses are no longer running scared of us, but running towards us — whether that’s donating money or sitting down with us to write our plans for growth.

I can't think about a stronger evidence that the Labour party is now just another capitalist serf.

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So keen to show his neoliberal chops off at every opportunity.

despicable man.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

How dare he actually prioritise getting elected and outting the Tories.

[–] peg@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Putting the (Red) Tories back in power.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Just because there are two things that are not what you would choose, does not make them the same. The current Labour party are not the same as the current Tory party.

I don't like beetroot, but if I had to choose between drinking beetroot juice and bleach, throwing my hands in the air and saying "both of these are as bad as each other" is simply not true.

The conservatives are a bleach that have been poisoning this country for the most 13 years.

Anyone (at this point in the election cycle) suggesting Starmer is a Tories is either actively at accidentally working for the Conservative Party electoral machine.

[–] fifisaac@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

He could go on stage and take a steaming dump on the podium and still out the tories

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

his ten leadership pledges aged poorly

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In a botched reshuffle following disappointing local election results and a major by-election defeat in Hartlepool all the way back in 2021, Starmer attempted to clip the wings of his deputy leader Angela Rayner, seen as being on the left of the party.

Rayner — whose role is elected by members and therefore untouchable — was sacked from her job as party chair and national campaigns coordinator as Starmer’s team sought to blame her for the poor results.

When he ran for the Labour leadership, Starmer pledged to bring public services — name-checking rail, mail, energy and water — into “common ownership,” seen by many as a clear nod to nationalization of utilities long in private hands.

Labour last year formally confirmed to the i newspaper that it won’t end the charitable status of elite private schools if it wins power — though argued the change would make little difference in practice.

But hear us out: in a December article in the Conservative-supporting Daily Telegraph newspaper, Starmer positively gushed about the former Tory PM Margaret Thatcher — the very mention of whom sends shivers down the spines of Britain’s lefties.

After months — and, let’s be honest, what feels like decades — of internal and external pressure on Labour’s flagship £28 billion green investment plan, Starmer looks poised to finally announce its death.


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