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4K Blu-ray is on the verge of dying out and no one seems to care (www.whathifi.com)
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So, I thought to myself, "Why not scope out a new 4K Blu-ray player?" My browsing quickly led me to the damning reality – no one makes them any more.

Well, no one might be a bit dramatic. Panasonic seems to be working overtime to keep the market afloat, and Sony seems to be offering some backup in the form of a couple of models, but that's about it for the mainstream brands.

There are enthusiast brands, such as Magnetar, with its awesome reference 4K players that also happen to cost between £1700 and £3100 – so they will remain a pipe dream for now. Most of the manufacturers known for producing 4K Blu-ray players, such as Oppo, Pioneer, Samsung and LG, have all packed up production and stopped selling 4K players. Another sign of the streaming times?

Well, it doesn't seem entirely so. 4K Blu-ray discs have seen record sales figures as of late. This jump, reported by Media Play News, was mostly due to the success of Top Gun: Maverick, which created a surge of interest in 4K Blu-ray back in November 2022.

But whether it's new releases or 4K re-releases of classic movies, there's an abundance of new films coming to 4K Blu-ray, so where are the players that we need to, you know, play the discs?

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[–] Emperor 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a scaremongering title but I think the core of it is that the current generation games consoles (and the Xbox One) have 4k players and, while they can't deliver the full 4k experience it's good enough, especially if people don't have the TVs to take advantage of the fancy HDR formats. The mass adoption of these consoles will have wrecked the market for standalone players.

As they state 4k discs seem to be doing well (I didn't realise Top Gun: Maverick had such an impact) and I imagine there'll always be a few 4k players available for the aficionado.

[–] Edlennion 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know very little about blu ray, and definitely don't have the home cinema setup to make the most of them, but I'm interested nonetheless: what can the current consoles not do that a dedicated, fully-featured player can?

This is the first I'd heard about them being limited.

[–] Emperor 2 points 1 year ago

what can the current consoles not do that a dedicated, fully-featured player can?

TechRadar look at both, I'll just extract the relevant bits but they go into a lot of detail.

Xbox Series X:

First off, if you’ve been enjoying the additional brightness and contrast courtesy of the Xbox Series X supporting Dolby Vision for games and streaming video, that sadly doesn’t translate across to Blu-ray playback. Neither Dolby Vision or HDR10+ are supported for 4K Blu-rays so you’ll have to make do with just standard HDR10 high dynamic range.

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Soundwise, the Xbox Series X 4K Blu-ray player fares much better. It has support for both Dolby Atmos and DTS:X positional audio. The only thing you’ll need to remember is that they’re not there automatically out of the box.

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There are also entire Reddit threads dedicated to 4K titles that apparently don’t work with the console and while this does seem limited, it’s definitely something to take into consideration for your collection.

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However, compared to the PS5 or dedicated 4K Blu-ray players, our testers have noted that the Xbox's overall image quality feels less precise and natural. Our colleages at What Hi-Fi? agree, noting that “4K images tend to look a little ‘rougher’ too, with slightly more dot crawl in areas of fine detail or subtle colour blends; a more jagged look to some curved or very thin lines; and even some faint but occasionally noticeable horizontal line structure over certain types of image elements - especially clouds and thin horizontal lines” in their PS5 vs Xbox Series X Blu-ray player comparison.

It’s definitely something you’ll want to consider if you’re planning to use this as your primary player. Plus, when it comes to playing standard Blu-rays, the 4K upscaling is a little fuzzier on the Xbox Series X than other players.

PS5:

there are compelling reasons to own both. What we have here is a classic case of convenience and value versus quality and ease of use. There are significant things that the PlayStation 5 simply cannot do when playing discs, and if you've invested in one of the best TVs, you want to get the most out of it, right?

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There’s no support for Dolby Vision HDR, and immersive audio playback is a mess.

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The Panasonic also supports both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ dynamic metadata support, alongside HDR10 and HLG. The PS5 only supports HDR10 and HLG.

Put simply, with a mid-range TV, the PS5's image performance is almost certainly good enough, but if you've invested in a large, high-end TV for home theater thrills, a dedicated player will be a notable updrade.

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It's also worth noting here that we rate the PS5 as a better Blu-ray player than the Xbox Series X. Its image quality is better – it's that simple.

tl;dr: they both don't support the premium HDR formats and getting the top quality sound out can be a bit of a hassle. The PS5 is the better 4k player compared to the Xbox Series X, which is a surprise as the Xbox One X has 4k support and you'd have thought that they'd have built on that to make it a competitor for dedicated players. It wouldn't surprise me if both went for that in the next generation, although it could kill the dedicated player market.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I play my 4K discs on my Xbox Series X. I've been planning to get a dedicated player but I want a modded region free one, and those tend to be quite pricey. Sounds like I need to act sooner rather than later.

[–] Emperor 3 points 1 year ago

The added cost is off-putting.

One option - as 4k discs are almost all region-free, get a multiregional Blu-ray player and a standard 4k player. It could be much cheaper.

[–] UKFilmNerd 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love physical media and I buy 4Ks when they fall in price and it has to be a film I really want. For example I have the Back to the Future and Indiana Jones films.

I was lucky enough to get a PS5 and I was double excited as it could also be a 4K player. I have thought about upgrading to a dedicated machine as everyone on Reddit keep saying how much better Dolby Vision is compared to standard HDR but then I realised this would mean a new TV as well, so I've held off for now. The jump in resolution with standard HDR+ already impresses me.

[–] Emperor 3 points 1 year ago

I have thought about upgrading to a dedicated machine as everyone on Reddit keep saying how much better Dolby Vision is compared to standard HDR but then I realised this would mean a new TV as well

That's the issue - you could be looking at spending a grand. I'm waiting until my telly breaks.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

HD-DVD gets its revenge in the end!

[–] Emperor 2 points 1 year ago

It was almost inevitable. And, let's be honest, DVDs still sell well because sometimes people want to own a version of a film without paying out much money.

Next the comeback of Betamax.

[–] UKFilmNerd 1 points 1 year ago

I sometimes wish HD-DVD had won because there was no region coding in the specification.

[–] Mex 2 points 1 year ago

Keep considering a dedicated Blu-ray player but even the entry models are above my random toy spending budget

[–] MarkHughes4096 -1 points 1 year ago

Bought a bluray player years ago, Maybe watched 2 or 3 films on it that are bluray then never used it since. I feel like there wasn't enough gain for the extra cost, DVD is good enough and cheaper. Also streaming of course.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a reason we should be caring?

[–] Emperor 4 points 1 year ago

There's a philosophical question and a half.

  • You don't have to care about anything.
  • Some people may care a lot about this.
  • Others (like myself) are concerned enough about it to keep an weather eye on future developments.

As it looks like only Panasonic are selling a reasonably-priced and widely-available full-featured 4k player, if they decided to stop production tomorrow, all the average consumer would be left with are the current generation of games machines (and the Xbox One). That's an issue because they don't support all the bells and whistles that people with home cinema set-ups are looking for and adding them to new releases when few people can see them. Less people will buy 4k releases if they don't see the value in them (they are felt by some to be the final format for the time-being but downgraded will they justify their price?). This would have knock-on effects for sales of the electronic equipment that would have been used to show the films off to their best effect.

It's not a serious issue, questions won't be asked in Parliament about it, but it is something some people do care about.