Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
really: https://archive.ph/p0jPI
Roko’s twitter is an absolutely reliable guide to how recently a woman with dyed hair and facial piercings kicked him in the nuts again
The pink hair and piercings types generally have fertility below replacement so will not last.
Leave it to the inventor of acausal torture AI to understand cause and effect. Other highly meaningful statistical indicators of having few children might include measuring lenghts in feet, speaking Norwegian, wearing a kimono, working in AI research, using the word "nootropic" or having a passport from a wealthy post-industrialized country.
Since a number of people have claimed that this is #Fascism, I should note that I don't think fascism is a good idea; the core problem is that fascism as it existed in the 20th century was fragile due to too much central control from a small number of powerful individuals.
Palingenetic schmalingenetic. We should simply have a decentralized majority voluntarily choosing to implement these dietary restrictions, arranged sexual partners, online censorship and whatever abridgement of religious freedom cuts down on "virtue signaling" in his mind.
I wonder if Roko has ever considered converting to Wahhabist Islam?
"The main problem with fascism is that it didn't last" is not the convincing disavowal of fascism Roko thinks it is.
We should simply have a decentralized majority voluntarily choosing to implement these dietary restrictions, arranged sexual partners, online censorship and whatever abridgement of religious freedom cuts down on “virtue signaling” in his mind.
the decentralized bit is almost certainly in the same way techfash projects like Urbit and ethereum advertise themselves as decentralized: the founders have an irrevocable majority, are able to retain control over the whole thing via dishonest means regardless (see the weaponization of open source that’s a techfash cornerstone), and there’s never a continuity plan in case that majority dies or otherwise loses control. Roko’s proposing a form of fascism that’s laundered in a similar way
Oh absolutely, which makes it even richer for him to claim he takes issue with fascism concentrating power to few powerful individuals.
Do you have more to read about the weaponization of open source? First I'm hearing of this
yep! there’s a little bit more detail in A Brief Primer on Technofascism, and the section where I describe the weaponization of open source is going to expand quite a bit with several more examples by the second draft of that post
as far as I know the term “weaponization of open source” is original, but it describes a pattern that goes back many years and seems to be getting more frequent as some corporations (which were wrongly seen as being good faith participants in the commons and given an outsized amount of control) get more comfortable with openly using techfash methods
Ahh okay. Yeah ive heard of that behavior to since extent, abuse of open source in various ways. Thanks for the read!
So...the main problem with fascism is that it didn't have enough control over people's minds, bodies and actions??? is this guy a spokesman for the hive mind or something
Why did the new word I learned today have to be Tradhumanism of all things? :( I'm holding out for a word about ducklings tomorrow.
You're in the wrong place if you want to avoid infohazards like this.
"The West has far too much freedom and needs to give people the option to voluntarily constrain themselves: in food, in sex, in religion and in the computational inputs they accept."
Incoherent gibberish, too dumb to realize how mask off he is.
I don't even get his point. You can voluntarily use your freedom to constrain yourself already. What, is the Food Optimizer gonna knock down your door and force-feed you McDonald's? Has vegetarianism become illegal? Clearly what he's actually mad about is that the state won't let him involuntarily constrain others
Surely he should be supporting democracy movements all over the world, safe in the knowledge that when people everywhere have the freedom to choose they will definitely choose to live according to his perfect philosophy....oh? he doesn't have any confidence in the "marketplace of ideas" and wants to just force people to follow the social norms he prefers? Great
roko has not had his mask on at any point in his adult life, as far as anyone can tell
I miss the days (really just that one time) when Roko would say stupid shit and it just made AI people mad
“I want a future where it’s impossible to conceive of anything new but a disneyland version of the past, but this punk chic who just wrenched everything she ever wanted out of me just posing for a photo doesn’t have goals”
"The role of society is to control what people eat, not what drugs they take" ok dude
"Fat people disgust me, but drugs are cool."
Gotta wonder why he is so het up about appearance changes where are basically impermanent. What's his take on tattoos? Are they ok on men, but not on women?
The Future is yesterday! Come for the Mirai!Regressive mores, stay for the Advanced dysentery!
What absurd version of an "idealised" past requires any form of technology to achieve? Could anything be meant beyond thought control and/or eugenics?