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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 93 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Just wait till the F-16 sorties start.

You won't be able to swing a cat in here without hitting a whining tankie symp.

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 61 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Oh no be careful, they might start posting gifs and emojis in response to you, thus nullifying any valid argument you might have!

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The latest lemmy update allows users to block entire instances.

My lemmy experience has been 100 times better with hexbear and lemmygrad blocked.

Unfortunately startrek.website is still running 18, so I'm stuck with playing whack-a-mole

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Echo chamber lifestyle devoid of geopolitical facts must be nice copium...

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, no. There's really not much value lost when blocking both Lemmygrad and Hexbear. Lemmygrad is straight up insanity, it would go down as the greatest satire instance if not for the fact that they actually believe the shit they're saying. And the loudest users of Hexbear are just hypocrites. They completely justify brigading other instances in the most offensive way possible and cry wolf when they get blocked, only to turn around and ban anyone who even remotely questions their ideology on their own instance. Blocking either is the equivalent of blocking a far-right instances, because they're all extremist.

And this is coming from a socialist who has not blocked either instance. In fact I'm more likely to get blocked by them because despite being supposedly ideologically adjacent we have very little common ground, and they don't take kindly to someone questioning their actions or beliefs.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Those stories already started, some Russian mil-bloggers say that F16s are already in Ukraine which is probably copium. But I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't accidental and Ukrainians re-doubled efforts to take down Russian planes (e.g. via smart and unexpected movements of anti-air installations) in anticipations of F16s coming, they're a lot more useful more quickly if they don't have to operate in contested skies. Every air-to-air missile you don't need to have in your loadout is another air-to-ground one.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

Was this the Ghost of Keeeeeeeeeeeeev?

[–] D61@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Background: On 22 December, Ukrainian defenders shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers on the southern front.

Dude... its been three fucking days. Unless the drop in air sorties went from dozens down to zero and stay that way for weeks to a month, this means absolutely nothing.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

True to you. Strikes were reported as irregular, combing in intense series whenever Russia wanted a bigger impact. Saying just a couple of days of lesser bombing means it made an impact is too optimistic. They could've prepared ammunition for another bigger strike. But journoes need to write news somehow?

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Make that 4 as of today.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Sukhoi Su-34 (Russian: Сухой Су-34; NATO reporting name: Fullback)[6] is a Soviet-origin Russian twin-engine, twin-seat, all-weather supersonic medium-range fighter-bomber/strike aircraft.[7][8][9][10] It first flew in 1990, intended for the Soviet Air Forces, and it entered service in 2014 with the Russian Air Force.[11]

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's sort of a shit design for 2023 tbh.

Sounds like Ukraine got a new air defense system... Maybe they moved a Patriot battery?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 33 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's pretty mid nowadays, nowhere near the levels of the F-22 or F-35. But the F-16 C, D or MLU versions are in almost every way a very modern fighter. Russia does pretty much the same thing, but while an upgrade F-16 is called a 'block 50', an upgraded SU-27 is called an SU-30 (or 34, or 35). They're basically all improved versions of 1970s planes.

The SU57 and Mig-35 are basically non-existent, if not actually so.

The F-16 is absolutely not the best fighter out there anymore, but it's hardly a pushover and at the very least on par with what Russia is fielding.

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[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 11 months ago (6 children)

there's no evidence for this btw, take ukrainian media with a mountain of salt

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago

who needs evidence, when the goal is to keep the narrative alive

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[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Says Pravda.com.ua. Shouldn't this fall under rule 1?

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tbh on second thought it probably should. I haven't seen any confirmation of any downed Su-34s, which you'd think Ukraine would be extremely eager to post.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Official Ukrainian claims always take a while, they don't want to give Russians real-time intel and they don't make exceptions for "well the Russians probably know already", too much organisational overhead everything is held back a couple of days.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Ukraine has been pretty eager to share any successes in this conflict, even perceived successes (e.g. the landing operation on Crimea). Images from that were released almost immediately.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

They have a clean fact check record. Don't confuse the Ukrainian and Russian Pravda, the latter belongs to the KPRF aka Putin stooges.

...oh just noticed that's a lemmygrad account they won't see me. If some kind person not banned on lemmygrad would please relay that to the tankies.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Ukrainian pravda

Point disregarded.

[–] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is the Su in Su-34 short for cyka?

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