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[–] PenguinJuice@kbin.social 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh great, more crisis. I can't wait to not be able to afford grain :(

[–] Legarth@lemmy.fmhy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depending on where you are from, there won't be much change in the price the experts say... But grain to poor countries in for example Africa will be effected much more.

So Putin is mad about losing in Ukraine, so now Africa have to suffer also ...

[–] PenguinJuice@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man, Africa cannot catch a break

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They should probably stop supporting Russia

[–] _wintermute@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine the amount of ignorance of history that goes into a comment like this. Do you really believe an entire continent of countries/people support or even give a fuck about Russia when they're worried they're going to starve?

The victim blaming in this thread is atrocious. All because of a perception that a few Africans support Russia on Twitter.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] _wintermute@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Governments: starting wars that most people don't want

People: starving because governments are at war and don't give a shit about them

You: "Hah, fuck those people because governments are at war. They get what they deserve, those people who only want to eat."

[–] Puppy@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be fair, from what I've seen on Twitter, tons and tons of Africans are supporting Russia and Putin's ego war so they can get fucked by Russia as much as they want. They will blame Ukraine for not surrendering earlier.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just remember there's 48 countries, not just "Africa". Depending which country or even which area of a country you're looking, you'll find a part of Africa ruining Africa or a part of Africa being ruined by Africa. It's a socially and politically wild place, mostly due to corruption and sectarianism. So, while a few support Russia, others are aiding Ukraine, others entirely indifferent to what's going on.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just remember there’s 48 countries, not just “Africa”.

The numbers: 15 abstained on the UN condemnation vote. 23 opposed condemning. 10 voted to condemn.

[–] _wintermute@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine condemning an entire continent based off what you, a random clown, saw a few bots say on Twitter. You are the useful idiot. How is this drivel positively voted on lmao

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After what the West did to Africa, can you really blame them for supporting Russian and Chinese foreign policy, especially when both nations have shown a far greater willingness to invest in the continent in recent years?

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Russia also benefits very heavily from goodwill in Africa generated by the Soviet Union's colonial liberation legacy. A very large number of states there owe their sovereignty to Soviet support in overthrowing colonial rule.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I think this is ultimately why the deal was struck in the first place to be honest. It wasn't hurting the right people.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nothing new for russians, they have have been starving people on purpose for decades. Just look at holodomor.

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Russia pulls out of grain deal > Russia causes global food price increase > Russia causes poorer families in US/EU to go hungry > Russia is engaging a war of aggression on NATO > ARTICLE 5

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not that simple: Here's article 5:

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

Article 5 is invoked If it constitutes an armed attack. In this case, food insecurity is not an armed attack.

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Putin used his hands, therefore arms, to sign the decision which means it's an armed attack. ARTICLE 5

[–] maik@infosec.pub 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have arms and I feel attacked. ARTICLE 5

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That's your fault for not having bear arms as the second amendment wanted you to.

[–] Ronno@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are you sure you want WWIII? Because that’s basically what you are preaching.

Listening to the stories of my grandparents, another World War is not something I want

[–] procrastinator@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There is no way WW3 doesn't lead to nuclear destruction of our planet

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

How about a global special military operation then?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If only the powers that could have opposed the belligerent nation in WWII had tried negotiation and peace before rushing in to battle!

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you apply the same logic to US sanctions on north korea, Cuba, Venezuela etc etc they all have casus belli to nuke america. It's a silly justification.

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's just internal conflict because every country belongs to America.

[–] Countess425@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

He's trying to cause an immigration crisis; people in Africa can't afford food so they will try to immigrate to Europe, either legally or not, and strain the resources and increase cultural divides. It was the whole reason Putin started fucking with the grain supply as soon as he could. He was hoping the immigration crisis and energy crisis would overlap and make each other worse, but The Netherlands recently dissolved their government over the immigration crisis, so now is good too.

[–] milos_obilic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Easy there Poland.

[–] copylefty@lemmy.fosshost.com 2 points 1 year ago

This is such a dumb take. Westerners cheering for nuclear war

[–] d4rknusw1ld@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is likely the trigger to Ukraine air space becoming a no fly zone defended by allies.

[–] fist_of_fartitude@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] d4rknusw1ld@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Wishful thinking.

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