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Inspired by a post that popped on lemmy world today about Weird Al it got me thinking. I listed out a bunch of names but the one that I think fits the most would probably be Surfan Stevens. Who do you all think?

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[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (6 children)

ITT: people who have severely underestimated Mozart's musical capacities and contributions.

Mozart is a musician that is studied by nearly any professional musician. There are historians, musical scholars, and museums dedicated to him. He's a household name across the world. He established a period of music. As a teenager, he deciphered a 12 min choral piece with multiple groups and solos after hearing it once and by memory wrote it down later that night (he heard it a 2nd time a few days later for minor corrections). When he presented the score to the clergy, they said he got one note wrong. After investigation, Mozart heard it right. The musician's score was off by a note. Could any popular musician mentioned here decipher just a 6 min song of 4 instrument band after hearing it once with pen and paper ready? Imagine telling any music legend now, "Hey, you're off by a half a step on the 3rd note of bar 28 of your own song."

Comparing an awesome popular singer, guitarist, or band to him is like comparing your friend that got a job at NASA to Einstein. There is no modern Mozart. There have been greats since Mozart, but there haven't been any Mozarts since Mozart. I say this as a Beethoven fan. Mozart was the only Mozart. He was so good, that his name became a title for great musician: Mozart. No one listed in this thread is anywhere near being a Mozart.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

When you put it that way, the list of candidates thins out and the one figure I see still standing is John Coltrane, who in his day was running circles around fellow jazz musicians, they couldn't wrap their heads around how Coltrane's chord progressions and jumping between keys from note to note made any sense... yet it did, and beautifully.

EDIT: typo

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No offence but I think you’re forgetting about Fred Durst.

[–] Subtlysubtle@sffa.community 4 points 10 months ago

He literally broke stuff

[–] CthuluVoIP@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Likely the closest I could picture in a modern sense is Jacob Collier, who can indeed perform these types of musical feats. But the crux of the issue is that while Collier is much loved, he isn’t a dominant force of popular music like Mozart was.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What if some or most of those details were made up to sound nicer / more impressive?

[–] myfavouritename@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, that's exactly my first thought while reading this. If I rewrote the list of achievements above to sound like I was claiming they all happened to me, and then posted it to twitter, it would be indistinguishable from most other "🙄 that happened" posts.

People will be saying similar stuff about Taylor Swift in 100 years; by definition being legendary means being unreal.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I agree, and this is easily my favorite post of the month.

[–] Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago

Honestly, I could see Jacob Collier doing just that.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 21 points 10 months ago

King Gizzard. They love weird-ass time signatures (look up the ridiculousness that is Crumbling Castle for an example), polyrhythms, unconventional tuning, and such. They hop from one genre to another, they probably have one of the highest album-to-year ratios in music (not including live and demo albums), sometimes they're serious, sometimes they're silly, sometimes they're silly-serious. The biggest blow to them however, is that nothing they make is truly a "masterpiece". It all ranges from "good" to "great" but nothing they've made is really a "masterpiece". Maybe in time they'll make a true masterpiece, but nothing yet quite qualifies imo.

The other nomination I'd make is Devin Townsend. Where King Gizzard is extremely prolific but doesn't make masterpieces, Devin Townsend takes his time and makes masterpieces. Despite its silliness, Ziltoid the Omniscient is one of the best, if not the best, metal albums, period. It's an album so good that even my parents, who don't like metal, have songs they enjoy from the album. Empath is a stunning blend of metal, electronic, prog, praise & worship/gospel,^1 and god knows what else. The man just does things and they come out amazing.


^1 Afaik Devin Townsend's not a Christian, sorry to any Christian peeps hoping for good Christian music. He just incorporated that sound into the album.

[–] QuikxSpec@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Jacob Collier

[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You ever seen that post about how classical music is closest to metal? Well Kerry King is our modern day Mozart.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

\M/

Dude can definitely shred and definitely plays some complex licks. Dimebag and Randy Rhodes are definitely up there too, but then again, so are many heavy metal guitarists.

I'm a shitty guitarist and whenever I just sit back and listen to the guitar tracks on most heavy metal albums I'm always amazed by the complexity, speed, precision and just overall sound of the tracks, especially when it comes to the solos.

[–] farcaster@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Kerry is a great player, but I think the shredder who embodied the spirit and the form of Mozart was Alexi Laiho.

His solos were a such distinct take on the neoclassical sound

[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

David Bowie, few have his range and talent.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

This is the kind of question that makes me hate my mortality, because culture is so scattered and vast and changing so rapidly these days that it seems difficult to imagine anything "modern" lasting for hundreds more years, and we'll never actually be able to know the answer.

[–] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Kevin MacLeod.

[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

If you are going to compare you should add the context of each, and by adding the context Mozart was a genius and cannot be compared.

[–] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I'm learning lots of good music here, but I was really hoping Surfan Stevens was a surf-rock cover artist of Sufjan Stevens and Cat Stevens.

[–] Alter_Id@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

I'm going to go with Steven Wilson for this. Mostly because he and Mozart have an undeniable talent, many of their fans consider them to be some type of visionary savant, and despite the broad agreement toward that perspective I still find both of their outputs to be broadly incredibly dull.

[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Squarepusher cones to mind

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Ramin Djawadi no contest.

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 months ago

I would say David Gilmour. Pink Floyd music comes to mind for having some pretty symphonic sounds.

[–] TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe someone like John Oliva

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Alpine Universe is pretty damn good, I thought it was a band until I looked them up on Instagram and found out it was one dude that multi-tracks his voice and plays multiple instruments. I watched a few of his production videos and was amazed.

Freddy Mercury and David Bowie are up there in that podium.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago
[–] RustyOperator@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

Everyone, if everyone could live the lives they want to without starving.

[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The fact that Miles Davis or Duke Ellington haven't shown up yet makes me question the musical diversity of Lemmy.

[–] eighthourlunch@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ben Folds. He's got classical, jazz and rock chops, with a full helping of the wit and mischief in his lyrics.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Those that like him, like him a lot. The rest of us will walk over fields of lava to hit the skip button.

[–] Meuzzin@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Dwayne Rudolph Goettel (Skinny Puppy) Peter Christopherson (Psychic TV, Coil, Throbbing Gristle)

If we change this question to generational, instead of "modern times", those two would fit into Gen X.

Richard Wright (Pink Floyd) Ray Manzarek (Doors) Elton John

For the "Boomers".

Tori Amos Trent Reznor Atticus Ross

For the Millenials.

I'm sure there's many more from those 3 generations. But they have my vote.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Incredible Polo

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Jack Antonoff has some incredible talent. He's written and produced a lot of iconic pop music.

[–] sirico 0 points 10 months ago

Louis Cole has a great understanding of music structure and plays around with it very well

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, Mozart was a composer, so I don't know what parallels you're drawing from to compare hin to Weird Al or Surfan [sic] Stevens. If we're talking strictly in terms of best living musicians, Joanna Newsom is probably the best songwriter of the past fifty years, and in my opinion, the second place isn't even close.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

No planet on which Sufjan Stevens is a Mozart.

Uncontroversial:

Radiohead

David Bowie

Daft punk

Controversial:

Kanye

Terrible person, but then again that wasn't the question.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Justin Timberlake has dropped hit after hit for almost 30 years and hasn't had any real controversies along the way.

[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago

Tanking Janet Jackson's career and slut-shaming Britney. Both were accepted behaviors at the time, but IMO that just makes it worse, he never even had to really account for it.