No matter how noble the cause realistically his position and actions were predicable.
That said if they really are in undeleting comments from those who have closed their accounts it's a huge privacy breach and a few years down the line all those inevitable fines from around the world will sink the platform, IPO or not and spez will be welcoming people at Walmart.
Can't wait.
If they are really undeleting, I think that may be the biggest thing to have come out of this whole thing so far. I'm unsure of EU laws regarding this, but reddit claiming ownership of our interactions crosses a line imo, and could be a huge step for privacy, for the better.
And I agree. Their behavior has been nothing but on brand.
Investors will price in pissing off EU regulators into the IPO lol. There's no way they'll let this one fly under the radar
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There is a lot of doublespeak going on, if you pay attention. He keeps referring to 3rd party apps as "competitors" where they really are alternate paths to interact with the platform and provide the content he relies on to sell ads over. He keeps referring to the protesting mods as "not wanting to moderate" when really they are trying to make known how much they rely on third-party tools and how difficult he is making their volunteer job.
It's like he's forgotten why they started the site in the first place. I wonder what Aaron would have thought of all this?
Even if he hasn't forgotten why they started reddit initially, the priority now is clearly to find out how much money they can squeeze out of our freely provided content, while guilting the volunteer moderators into keeping the site usable.
That's why Spez doesn't get to profit from me anymore.
Nice. I'll make a note to check back on this in a few days to see whether they revert the edits.
Sigh, I guess the RemindMe bot isn't here, is it?
Spez started the site to make money. This was always true - a completely typical reason to start a company. When there was no community in the early days - he made fake accounts, and fake conversations to generate traffic to attract attention. So Spez is someone that’s always used dishonesty to get what he wants.
Aaron joined the site because he saw it’s potential as a tool for civic engagement and political awareness. He left when he saw what Reddit was becoming… or really - what it always had been: a tool to extract wealth from its unknowing volunteers.
Aaron and Spez weren’t friends. They were business partners for a very short period of time. To the best of my knowledge, that’s all there is to it.
I speculate that Aaron would feel unfazed by what Reddit looks like today… because it’s expected. The founders are people that make the Forbes 30 Under 30, marry world famous pro athletes, and are worth tens of millions of dollars. They’re divorced from reality.
I would hope that open and decentralized online spaces like Lemmy reflect the sort of values & ideas Aaron spent his life advocating for.
Additional important details: spez built Reddit and sold it off to Condé Nast because he thought it was a stupid little project that would soon be eclipsed and he wanted his payout.
He spent a few years traveling and then expressed regret at having sold it because it was becoming much bigger than he imagined.
He was rehired after Ellen Pao's very similar attacks on the user base.
Every morning he wakes up, looks in the mirror and thinks "if I'd just stuck with Reddit instead of selling it I'd be Jack Dorsey (of Twitter) right now. A real billionaire instead of a mere multi-millionaire. I invented the front page of the internet! It's a top twenty website! Why can't I buy an island? Like, a good one."
That's where he's coming from. And he currently thinks if he acts like Elon Musk he can be as rich as him.
Unironically, Ellen Pao was the best CEO Reddit's ever had.
She made a lot of difficult and fair choices for the future health of the company.
Reddit needed to be cleaned if they wanted to attract a larger audience and increase ad revenue. Heck, that was her job - and I believe banning hate subreddits was appropriate. There was expected blowback, but I suspect that'd be smoothed over in time.
The mistake was dismissing Victoria. That completely destroyed the beloved AMA format. It also coincided with the infamous Rampart disaster. 10-15 answered softball questions, and Harrelson treated it like another press junket. I mean, why wouldn't he?
There was no Reddit ambassador to explain how the format works, what makes it successful and why it's important for the success of what they're promoting.
More importantly, it validated Reddit's belief that Pao was not fit to lead Reddit, because she didn't understand it. Much of the community thought she was only brought aboard to placate accusations of sexism in the organization. It didn't help.
And still, Pao was big enough to admit when she's wrong: We screwed up. Not just on July 2, but also over the past several years. We haven’t communicated well, and we have surprised moderators and the community with big changes. We have apologized and made promises to you, the moderators and the community, over many years, but time and again, we haven’t delivered on them. When you’ve had feedback or requests, we haven’t always been responsive. The mods and the community have lost trust in me and in us, the administrators of reddit.
What do you think the odds of a narcissist like u/Spez ever holding himself the least bit accountable? If he's not fired, he won't.
But ya know what? Fine. Let him follow in Elon's footsteps and see what happens.
Every time spez speaks he literally contradicts himself. I genuinely can't even comprehend the shit that he spews. He literally says multiple contradictory statements in the same sentence. It's like watching someone know they can't win an argument, so instead they just spew random shit hoping something lands.
He’s following in the footsteps of his idol, Elon Musk
He's trying to drive a wedge between mods and users, it's disgusting behaviour.
I agree but this is really some cutting off your nose to spite* your face territory. It’s like someone had a conversation with him about not burning bridges with the people that provide him with free labor and what he took away from that conversation is that fire isn’t an efficient enough medium of which to destroy said bridges.
Just FYI, the idiom is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Agree on your points.
/m/boneappletea?
same, I would have probably kept using reddit before his insane press releases this week. Done with it now.
I guess there’s always the chance the board is letting him self destruct to offer him as the sacrificial lamb.
I don't believe spez is self destructing, He's doing what benefits both himself and the board in bringing about these changes. Your right about how the board will probably use him as the sacrificial lamb though, along with giving him a healthy severance package on the way out. Pretty sure they've even pulled that on a smaller scale before with all that AMA staff drama. It's all an attempt to maximize profits for their shareholders when they turn Reddit public, and then they can cash out too. They won't be reverting any of these decisions after, even when they do push spez under the bus, because we users aren't the priority.
we users aren't the priority.
You know what they say. If you're using a service for free, then you're not the customer, you're the product. They don't care about what we think in the same way a farmer doesn't care about the opinions of his cows. It's just never really been this glaringly obvious before.
I dropped in today and there was a huge banner at the top of the page claiming to tell me about how much third-party apps were stealing from Reddit.
I saw the same. I was just about tempted to slide back and browse quickly on my lunch break, then I saw that and just noped out of there. This place is building up quickly and strongly enough that I probably won't bother going back to reddit if he's going to keep up with this nonsense; I don't really need that sort of BS negativity.
Which is most outrageous because Reddit made the API that allows that and supported it with third party developers. It's like inviting a bunch of people to a party and then complaining after they've been there for a couple hours, "What are you people doing here?" And it was a potluck party, the guests brought a lot of the food.
Same. Now that the CEO revealed the mindset that drives reddit behind the curtains, the problem shifted from a matter of convenience (access from APIs) to a matter of principles:
This type of aggressive capitalism is becoming a poison for the web.
It is going too far, destroying what has made the internet a special place to share information: no limits to exploration, to sharing, to expression. Now they want to create isolated bubbles behind login walls where they can be owners of the info and controllers of the space to sell data, product placements and ads.
Perhaps these new technologies like the fediverse are the answer, the solution to put a brake on this ugly phenomenon.
I hope decentralization will be the beginning of a new "Internet Renaissance", bringing back a bit of the spirit of the 90s.
It's typical for American web sites because it's an American kind of leadership.
Unfortunately almost all popular web sites are American.. :/
I'm probably a lot less negative about Spez than a lot of people here. I mean, end of the day, he spent hundreds of millions of investors' dollars, and he's gotta make a return for them. They weren't donating to him to make a cool forum. They were expecting a return.
And this business model, at a high level, is the norm for dot-coms. Operate in money-losing mode, but have an especially-attractive service to grow the userbase. When you finally get a large userbase, then you have to shift over to monetizing them and being profitable.
I mean, Reddit was inevitably going to reduce user experience to try to generate more money at some point.
But none of that means that what Reddit is doing makes it the most appealing place for me. I mean, I'm over here not because I want Spez or Reddit to burn, but because it's just not really the place I want to be with the changes. I'm not angry, but, for me, kbin is just preferable to Reddit now.
There are fewer users and less content on the Fediverse right now, but that's okay with me. I moved to Reddit back when it was one page with mostly people talking about things of interest to the Reddit staff. It was a lot smaller than the Fediverse is now.
Platforms have to turn to make money. But that can be done ethically. There were many universes where 3rd party apps didn't have to shut down. Or where they were given notice. And I guess this move just was really mask off for spez. Of course reddit needs to make money. But you can do that without shitting on the site you built.
It's the epitome of what capitalism does. It's like 'oh you like this place or hobby or content sharing or socializing? Well now it's worse and costs money!' Because capitalism has ruined everything else and it will sell you and your community of friends to the highest bidder.
What bothers me most about this is how personal it sounds, and how emotional he's getting. He's not thinking rationally
As someone who’s been on reddit for almost 12 years, who’s also a developer. It really has saddened me to hear so many I’ll things he’s said to other dev teams.
This is the main reason why I’m trying to go all in with Lemmy, subscribing to different communities, etc.
At this point, if Reddit doesn’t make him step down and all these popular third party apps go under because of the API pricing, i will rarely be visiting reddit in the future.