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[–] brb@lemmy.world 160 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I never understood why anyone would use Brave, the payouts are small, the utility of the crypto is zero, and watching/seeing adverts is a nightmare. I honestly believe that blocking all advertising and sending a small monetary amount to someone providing value is a better way of supporting the people you care about.

[–] dan@lemm.ee 154 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

I use Firefox over Brave simply because I have much more trust that Mozilla won’t suddenly turn into dicks.

(Also because Firefox is awesome now, and because competition in the browser world is a good thing, but it’s mainly the probably-not-being-dicks thing)

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago

I got downvoted to shit on Reddit for saying stuff like this (on the weirdly frequent posts about how great Brave is)

Ig I’ve found my people now

[–] Onlytanner@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Firefox has been super good for me as well. I switched from Chrome a few years ago and initially had the occasional issue, but thinking about it now I can't recall the last time I had an issue with Firefox that forced me to use another browser.

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the payouts

wait, what? I was just looking for a search engine that does least tracking and brave was recommended a few times, so I use that, but have never seen any ads or been offered any payout? Am I doing it wrong? (for the record, if they'd offered me payment to watch ads I would have never even installed it in the first place, and will now be removing it as my default on firefox)

[–] binom@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

no, you are right. there is a lot of talk about the brave browser in this thread, a chromium based ad blocking browser by the brave company that gives you their own crypto in return for unobtrusive ads on the start page, which can then be used to donate to content creators on the internet (i think) or be cashed in. you and the op are talking about brave search, a search engine created by the same company

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[–] snek@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't think people use Brave for any crypto stuff all that much. I use it to block ads.

[–] Sarcastik@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used it for the perceived level of privacy they pretended to offer. Guess I'm switching to Firefox tomorrow.

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[–] shinjiikarus@mylem.eu 23 points 1 year ago

When mouthing this opinion back on Reddit I got swamped with downvotes and crypto apologists immediately. But in my opinion brave is shady af and I don’t see their value over Firefox and a reasonable ad blocker, maybe a pi-hole and anti tracking.

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[–] s0phia@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Brave is just too shady and I hate that it's considered a "privacy" browser by people who don't know better.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Brave is just too shady

It's amazing how so few people seem to understand that Brave's entire business model is an extortion racket wrapped in a crypto scam.

Of course, both that and the new bullshit described in this article is all just par for the course from the guy who (a) inflicted the abomination that is Javascript upon the world, and (b) got booted from Mozilla for being a bigot.

[–] CamelCityCalamity@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I found the juxtaposition of your comment to the one below yours to be pretty funny.

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[–] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Tried it for a week or two, but since I reinstalled Firefox I really don't understand why I was judging/hating so much in the past years. Yes, Chrome/ium used to be waaaay faster, but Mozilla just has their shit together most of the time. The Debian of browsers so to speak.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Firefox is GOAT, but I do have Brave installed on my phone specifically for playing YouTube. The Brave browser automatically blocks YouTube ads, allows me to play videos in windowed mode, and allows me to play videos with the screen off.

I don’t do anything else in Brave, so I’ll probably hang onto it as basically a YouTube app.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

You might want to look into NewPipe then. Lets you do all those things with YT, plus you can also download the videos or their audio only

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[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Their crypto autofill scandal is all one needs to know about this company. If you're marketing your browser as privacy focused and then pull stunts like that you lose all credibility in my eyes. Forever.

Firefox or go bust

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[–] Jim_Greece@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (27 children)

That’s why i use Firefox.

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[–] Dusty@l.dusty-radio.com 72 points 1 year ago (3 children)

After their crypto crap, this doesn't surprise me one bit.

And don't give me that "You can disable the crypto" the fact is, you shouldn't have to because it shouldn't have ever been included in the first place.

[–] TheRealNeenja@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

Seriously, early on this company literally deployed a mass MITM attack against their entire userbase.

Any company that pulls some shit like that is just going to do it again whenever they think they can get away with it.

[–] ultimate_question@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Breaking their users' trust by appending attribution tags to their URLs should've been unforgivable but I still see people pushing their browser online

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[–] DebraBucket@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

One of the founders, Brendan Eich, donated his money to take away the equal right for same-sex couples to marry in California (Prop 8). He never acknowledge that it was mistake, so I can only assume that he truly wants to see the marriages of same-sex couples erased, which is quite a hateful thing to desire.

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[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Firefox users: Another Chromium drama? People never learn

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Everyone knows the only safe way to browse is to scrape webpages and print the content to your terminal.

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[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I hope people finally quit that shit of a browser.

[–] ours@lemmy.film 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I groaned hearing Louis Rossmann recommending Brave during one of his videos about Youtube ads. Firefox uBlock Origin and SponsorBlock would be a better recommendation.

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[–] _pete_@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (19 children)

As a web developer the problem I have is there are issues with all the browsers that are available today:

  • Chrome and Edge are owned by big companies and report god-knows-what back to their motherships whilst constantly pushing their own services
  • Firefox uses its own rendering engine so it can have some Firefox specific bugs / differences that might be missed, plus doesn’t have support for some of the extensions that you want
  • Safari doesn’t have windows or extensions support
  • Opera is full of random features and promotional bumpf that I don’t care about and have to turn off
  • Vivaldi is a complicated beast that takes a bunch of work to set up, it also includes a mail client, calendar and feed reader in the browser which I don’t need.
  • DuckDuckGo doesn’t have any extension support at all
  • Arc is really fiddly and doesn’t always behave how I want it to (bookmarks behave like tabs for some reason)
  • Brave pulls things like this and is also full of crypto/wallet type stuff, plus you can’t even change your home page.

I just want a simple Chromium browser that doesn’t require me to turn a bunch of shit off, is private by default and supports extensions, I don’t think it’s too much to ask!

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[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I will never understand why people dont just use firefox and its derrivatives...

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Your post just links to its own icon. Did you have an article to link to instead?

[–] Odusei@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] skillissuer@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

wasn't bunching crypto garbage not shady enough?

[–] cpo@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It started with widgets showing crypto currency markets.

I immediately noped the hell off it.

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[–] Blazingflames6073@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Didn't they do some shady stuff before too? I was pretty confused why some people still recommended it

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[–] amenotef@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To me Firefox is the best browser.

I use Chrome because I'm lazy to move, I have my stuff synced in there and I use it also with my phone (Google Pixel). But lately I'm considering Firefox more and more. At least I now have it installed in my phone and specifically use it for some stuff.

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[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

TL;DR: Brave Software has their HQ in California and they are they're stealing data and selling it and giving "rights" to other people. Lawsuits are probably already being filed by multiple companies come monday.

And it's not in an "our AI 'read' the page and is making their own", it's straight up taking entire sentences and almost entire paragraphs from places like wikipedia and selling them as original data without attribution(which is required by the license used by wikimedia/pedia)

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[–] MrMonkey@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

LOL, about half the points in the article are struck through now. Yet another "journalist" who doesn't understand how anything works getting angry how they way they imagine it works.

That's some quality reporting "stackdiary".

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yea within no time Brave will become evil as hell because the CEO is a silicon valley bro. They just waiting for more people to adapt their product and services.

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[–] Brochetudo@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't and won't ever understand why people keep recommending Brave. This is not even the second or third shady shit they pull off.

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[–] lightnarcissus@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I was a big Brave supporter back in 2019-2020 when it seemed to have a lot of momentum behind it. But they squandered any goodwill they had with their crypto add-ons and rewards

[–] Makeshift@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every single one of these Brave "scandals" are so irrelevant and meaningless. I was hoping the reddit hive mind wouldn't be brought over to lemmy, but here we are.

This article, especially after the update from Brave, seems like a huge nothing-burger. Just another excuse for the Firefox Fanatics crowd to rag on Brave and circlejerk each other about how good Firefox is.

The article isn't even about Brave Browser, and it has nothing to do with user data. The website owner is mad that Brave Search is crawling their site and using data in their "Summarizer" feature. I thought Firefox users were supposed to be against the Google internet monopoly, but apparently when it comes to one of the only companies with their own independent and actually decent search engine, they don't seem to care anymore because of stupid "Firefox good brave bad" browser wars nonsense.

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