It seems the title is misleading to some people : France is just banning the use of SINGLE-USE vapes, not all vapes.
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Hard to blame them. The amount of e waste is staggering
good. i found a ton of these nasty little things in my backyard when i moved into my current house. the house was (no surprise) previously occupied by a bunch of undergrads.
Isn't that a massive fire hazard apart from being bad for the environment?
I do not take personal issue with vaping. Humans have been consuming nicotine for thousands of years, and even though it is unhealthy, I don't think it's ever going away. However, the article specifically covers the banning of single-use vapes; and I absolutely agree that these have to go. They are extremely attractive to children and adolescents, and they're terrible for the environment. I think the best approach toward regulating vapes is to ban flavors and disposables.
Disposables are very bad for the environment, but in retrospect, so are normal AA batteries, used once and tossed away, regulation on those should also be considered.
Banning flavors is not, hopefully, an option, as the components of the juice don't have and inherent flavor, unlike tobacco plants.
Alkaline batteries are great for remotes and stuff like that, where they potentially last years, in those applications it seems very reasonable, my TV remote still has the included AA batts and I bought it 3 years ago. But they end up getting used in higher drain devices and it gets a bit absurd. Still, at least people aren't rocking around with their boombox with 6 D cells that last 8hours.
As a long time e-cig user and enthusiast I agree. I thought we got away from that garbage a decade ago, but then it came back. I don't get it, it's expensive, it sucks, and it's mind bogglingly awful for the environment.
I don't even love the idea of pre built coils but I compromised for the convenience now that they are actually good. Feels a lot less bad to toss a little bit of steel and kanthal every few weeks.
I can't really get behind banning flavors, but less attractive packaging and only allowing open refillable systems would be a huge step to slowing adolescent use, they pretty much all use disposables because they can be bought at gas stations and you have to go to a smoke shop to get the refillables. Not to mention dropping $60 on a mod+tank isn't as easy to start as $10 for a disposable.
I think the flavors are a big part of why they can be effective as cessation aids you start to no longer associate tobacco with it which helps a lot. I no longer smell someone smoking and get cravings.
I cannot understand why there is no law banning the sale of Vape mixture to kids in any shape or form. Prohibition does not work where there is a desire to use a product, and vapes are so easy to manufacture that it will never be effective.
In the US, no one under 21 can legally buy anything vape-related. Resourceful kids find ways. Same with kids and drinking. They've always found a way, and they will continue to always find a way.
This is not the case in the UK. It is something that needs sorting. There have been reports of bad asthma attacks in kids using these products.
There is in most countries. Unless you mean shortfills you are meant to add nic to? In the US those still firmly fall under the laws restricting sale of vapes. Don't know about the UK or Europe, I know those products exist there though.
Otherwise you can't legally sell bulk nicotine to underage people, obviously the other ingredients are used for such a wide variety of things they can't really be restricted like that.
I just checked. It is illegal to sell nicotine vaping products to anyone under the age of 18 in the UK. Hands up, I am guilty of making assumptions here.
Ban vapes, but won't ban cigarettes...
Hoho, buy how vuld we maintain ze image of ze snooty fenchman with ah rideeculously long cigarette holder zhen?
Vapes harm people and cigarette companies spent a lot of money to hide the fact that so do their products
I'm still pretty convinced that vaping is less harmful than smoking, but it's also easier ...
Don't ban them, that'll just start up a black market for them which way less safe and also makes sure the government doesn't get any portion of the sales to fund healthcare.
I say slowly ramp up the tax on them, incentiving smokers to quit. The higher price would also help prevent future smokers from picking up the habit since they'll be so expensive, for pretty much no gain.
I say slowly ramp up the tax on them, incentiving smokers to quit.
That's what they've been doing for years. It doesn't really seem to work and is effectively just a tax on the poors.
Good. Vapers look like clowns with a flute.
A flute carved from a stick of fuckwit.
If they smoked, they'd be dead.
I wouldn't have to look at them anymore.
Especially the single-use ones are really bad for the environment. I don't mind this.
However I think vaping is a good way for people to detox off cigarettes (by slowly reducing nicotine content) so banning vaping as a whole phenomenon is a bad thing IMO. Perhaps it could be prescription based for people who are trying to kick cigarettes.
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The French parliament has backed a proposal to ban single-use electronic cigarettes, which the government has said encourages “bad habits” in teenagers and are harmful to the environment.
The national assembly voted unanimously for the move late on Monday, which still needs backing from France’s upper house senate as well as clearance from the EU Commission.
“They’re ridiculously cheap, the fruity and sugary flavours are attractive, and their small size makes them easy to hide from parents,” said the MP Francesca Pasquini, who submitted the draft law in November last year.
The bill’s co-sponsor, Michel Lauzzana, said France’s National Academy of Medicine qualifies disposable vapes as “a sneaky trap especially for children and teenagers”.
The motion, which was supported by all 104 members of parliament present, also has the backing of the French prime minister, Elisabeth Borne, who in September called for a ban on the single-use vaping devices, which at the time she accused of giving “bad habits to young people”.
The French move against puffs, introduced in France two years ago, follows similar initiatives in Germany and Ireland.
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Using the kids as an excuse always works!
Vaping has the advantage that you can vape without the addictive component, nicotine, what about tobacco?