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[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I do not take personal issue with vaping. Humans have been consuming nicotine for thousands of years, and even though it is unhealthy, I don't think it's ever going away. However, the article specifically covers the banning of single-use vapes; and I absolutely agree that these have to go. They are extremely attractive to children and adolescents, and they're terrible for the environment. I think the best approach toward regulating vapes is to ban flavors and disposables.

[–] vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Disposables are very bad for the environment, but in retrospect, so are normal AA batteries, used once and tossed away, regulation on those should also be considered.

Banning flavors is not, hopefully, an option, as the components of the juice don't have and inherent flavor, unlike tobacco plants.

[–] SenorBolsa@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Alkaline batteries are great for remotes and stuff like that, where they potentially last years, in those applications it seems very reasonable, my TV remote still has the included AA batts and I bought it 3 years ago. But they end up getting used in higher drain devices and it gets a bit absurd. Still, at least people aren't rocking around with their boombox with 6 D cells that last 8hours.

[–] SenorBolsa@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As a long time e-cig user and enthusiast I agree. I thought we got away from that garbage a decade ago, but then it came back. I don't get it, it's expensive, it sucks, and it's mind bogglingly awful for the environment.

I don't even love the idea of pre built coils but I compromised for the convenience now that they are actually good. Feels a lot less bad to toss a little bit of steel and kanthal every few weeks.

I can't really get behind banning flavors, but less attractive packaging and only allowing open refillable systems would be a huge step to slowing adolescent use, they pretty much all use disposables because they can be bought at gas stations and you have to go to a smoke shop to get the refillables. Not to mention dropping $60 on a mod+tank isn't as easy to start as $10 for a disposable.

I think the flavors are a big part of why they can be effective as cessation aids you start to no longer associate tobacco with it which helps a lot. I no longer smell someone smoking and get cravings.

[–] Syldon 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I cannot understand why there is no law banning the sale of Vape mixture to kids in any shape or form. Prohibition does not work where there is a desire to use a product, and vapes are so easy to manufacture that it will never be effective.

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the US, no one under 21 can legally buy anything vape-related. Resourceful kids find ways. Same with kids and drinking. They've always found a way, and they will continue to always find a way.

[–] Syldon 1 points 11 months ago

This is not the case in the UK. It is something that needs sorting. There have been reports of bad asthma attacks in kids using these products.

[–] SenorBolsa@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

There is in most countries. Unless you mean shortfills you are meant to add nic to? In the US those still firmly fall under the laws restricting sale of vapes. Don't know about the UK or Europe, I know those products exist there though.

Otherwise you can't legally sell bulk nicotine to underage people, obviously the other ingredients are used for such a wide variety of things they can't really be restricted like that.

[–] Syldon 2 points 11 months ago

I just checked. It is illegal to sell nicotine vaping products to anyone under the age of 18 in the UK. Hands up, I am guilty of making assumptions here.