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This gave me a good chuckle. Not just the OP but the entire comment rant too.
I love that this is a hill they're willing to die on and it makes me wonder why there is such righteous aggression in the OP responses. Me thinks they are in a vulnerable to AI outsourcing industry and want UBI as a fall back for the inevitable lay off headed their way.
Good luck with that one.... Or just reskill in a job that will be hard to replace, one with interpersonal skills maybe......
Lmao imagine trusting the government to do anything right?
Avg high school government class discussion.
Oh the irony you know that you get to browse reddit thanks to the government institutions we have in place
That’s not what irony means.
why is this in a gaming subreddit
Kid took shrooms and farted on his keyboard, now we are here.
Guys this post is clearly made by an ai in its testing faze, give it a year and it will improve!
Fortunately for you I think you're too dumb to realize the evil of what you've said.
I'm going to hope that this entire thing is just one big sarcasm post and not OP just making a massive fucking fool of themselves lmao
Jesus Christ... the antiwork anarchists are here.
And, like, I can even vibe with what the little hophead is saying.
But video games.
You realize people need jobs to get money, right?
We're not doing them for fun.
But the govt makes you need money
I agree, and half the time I’m at work I wish I wasn’t, but also I actually enjoy the work I do. When I don’t have a job I lose my mind, and I’m not alone. Unemployment is up there depression-wise with loss of a loved one for a lot of people, and that not an assumption it’s a fact. OP is acting like we all just would be content home on our computers all day and that we are being forced to work “just because” like it’s a punishment
I agree with you. The big problem we're going to face is that governments are too old. Most of our politicians are so clueless (willingly and unwillingly) about what is coming that they aren't going to put protections for humans in.
I imagine a world in which the poorer get much poorer because they have no safety net. They can't get a job easily (evern worse than now), and our politicians haven't set up society to move forward with feeding, clothing, and housing our population.
It is not companies jobs to figure out how society is going to work here. Call. Your. Congressman.
Changing the fabric of how society works as human beings is going to take way more work than a bunch of Redditors calling up Congresspeople, assuming we live in America at all.
We are decades, if not centuries, removed from achieving anything like self-sustainability in the face of automated jobs. At this moment, all this would do is remove more people from an already volatile job market, which is the exact opposite of what we need right now.
if thousands of people are out of jobs, then how will they earn money?
if there are no money, how will they buy games?
Why don't you take your pills and go back to sleep?
Ok
what in the actual fck even is this?
this isn't the right place to talk about this dude
AI has been used to make jobs easier. Plenty of tools have been made to make physics more convenient, do animation easier, or even make gameplay patterns or levels easier and more efficient to make so people can make better products.
However, AI is NOT a substitute for humans. Despite what some people think, AI generated content is NOT anywhere near on par with human creativity and intent.
I dont know what thread of logic you're running on to say its 'immoral' for people to keep their jobs. Believe it or not, there are people who like working. Making art, coding, programming, creating ideas, stories, and gameplay concepts IS what fills people emotionally. YOU are the amoral one if you think we should replace all jobs with AI cause you want content to be made for you without needing to put effort into it.
It all goes back to ethics, and the sad truth about how pretty much every industry sees ethics as something to figure out how to avoid.
I don't really understand the topic.
God that OP is an idiot
"Not only that, keeping Jobs around and forcing people to work when they are contributing zero to society, is morally reprehensible."
The alternative is those people and their family starve. We live in a society of excess, but only to those that are already wealthy.
Go peddle your tripe in r/conservatives or one of the other pro capitalism subs.
Fuck AI
Not video games.
AI will be baby mode frameworks. It's not going to think up unique code or architecture.
"14 year old who took economics and watched a video about ai on YouTube" ass argument
go watch the movie Wall-E. That is precisely why jobs and working are important. For without structure in our lives we become fat, lazy, entitled creatures who relish in over indulgence. Never mind the fact that even with jobs we are already getting there. This would just bring about that time much quicker.
Or how about the fact those jobs, as shitty as they often are, pay us and allow us to have all these first world problems so many post about online. Do you suggest replacing jobs with AI and instituting a Socialistic structure so that everyone has a roof over their head, food in their fridge and disposable income to do the things they enjoy.
That being said, when it comes to modern times there are certainly improvements that can be made for the working folk. We have been continuously tasked with doing more work, being more productive, etc, all while losing the buying power we once had due to stagnant wages. I read a week ago that to have the same buying power as people did back when $3.xx was the standard hourly rate, you'd need to make just over $30 today. Moving along, there are measures that can make peoples lives better even while working. better pay, mandatory vacation, paid sick time, health benefits, and dare I suggest 4 day work weeks. European nations have figured this out, why can't the rest of the world.
AI is nothing more than a cost saving measure for the company. The same way self checkouts were for retailers. A way to dump employment costs to gain even more profit; as they don't create enough. I'll take an adequate human being over a computer trained by someone every single day of the week.
I hope this was a troll post because the foundation of society is the people. It is every much businesses job to create a product, to create jobs, to stimulate the economy.
Guys I genuinely think OP might be an AI...
I have been wondering something, as I scroll through this "discussion".
What are the chances that the very obnoxious, self-absorbed Elon Musk is OP's ghostwriter?
0/10 bait
Sick bro so whats your plan for paying my extremely inflated rent that went up for no reason despite my wage not going up? Yeah I don't need to work anymore. I will just not pay my bills and live off air instead of food. Sounds like a great idea.
They don't want people to have universal healthcare. You really think they're going to take care of anyone whose jobs are lost due to AI? And do you really think people are that replaceable in creative fields? Sorry, but I think both of these are delusions.
The whole point of technology and tools is to eliminate the need for manual input and manpower and make our lives easier. What's the point of developing all this technology just to keep humanity enslaved with jobs?
Calm down, sir
Dude's desperate for a AI girlfriend so bad he wrote this drivel.
This guy knows nothing about the system 😭
I agree with all of this. We can’t stop AI, nor should we. The first answer is to tax rich people and their robots and get that money to working families. If we keep blocking AI over copyright concerns, we will start to fall behind in the global marketplace competing with companies who have no such reservation.
Ultimately, they will make AI pay to play and we will catch up to some degree, but the arrival of self-driving cars? That’s teamsters, which is a huge part of the workforce.
Burger flipping robots isn’t going to do it. UBI is the future and yes. That happens at the state and federal level.
Not using AI because it is “amoral” is no different than China refusing to use power tools to make jobs.
May I also add that we humans are not subject to technological development but are free to choose whether and to what extent we push it forward?
Until it is truly sentient, it isn't a real AI. And until it can pass a Voidt-Kompf empathy test (/s for those that need it), it would be immoral to replace humans with it.
Morals are an exclusively human thing. Take humans out of the equation, and it's amoral through and through.
Note the difference between immoral and amoral. Immoral goes against it, amoral is a lack of it.
Considering humans have been the sole proprietor and producer of said morals, taking the human element out of the situation is removing the morals themselves.
As far as population with idle hands, look how far we've come automating things. Look at the general mental disposition that has arisen within the last century. We have become a population of mostly idle hands. How much good has that done us? Suicide is higher now than before, crimes more rampant, and the belief in oneself at an all time low. Humans need something to do, like dogs need to play. You think a beaver gnaws on wood for fun? If it didn't, it's teeth would grow back into it's skull and it would die. Animals need busy work, they need an outlet for the energy they keep consuming.
It would be immoral to remove any and all work from the world. Because the humans need it to stay sane and humans created morality.
It would be amorally the best decision to have an entire planet run by hyper efficient machines, but that would also be a planet that was anathema to human existence. It would be no more than a factory.
And before you go and say humans would do just fine with nothing to do, I suggest you take a few months and sit alone in an empty room with nothing to do. See how that fairs on your psyche. Just because you're too lazy to work, doesn't mean it's good for you.
Assuming all my hobbies weren't also automated away I'd always find projects to occupy my time. Just because some people would just idley sit there consuming doesn't mean everyone will. No one is going to be just sat in a room with nothing to do. At worst you'll have all the AI generated media to enjoy.
See the first paragraph and try that again.
What you call "AI" are merely advances programs. Until its fully sentient it isn't a true AI. And at that point you'd still have to teach it empathy to produce proper art. So you're easily centuries away from this dream of yours.
I'm not talking about just computer generated images, I'm talking true-blue art of any kind. Good art such as books, paintings, and physical works such as pottery didn't get that way because of it's composition, it got that way because of the love the artist put into making it so. They put their hopes, dreams, and soul into their art and an AI (true AI) lacking in empathy could merely produce a replica of something it's seen or a reamalgamation of what it's seen.
So sure, you have now envisioned a world where you have no purpose other than your hobbies, which will cost you money you are giving up by not working, and soulless media who's only purpose is to rake in the money you still aren't earning.
So your hobbies slow down due to lack of money, your media is meaningless cash-grabs, and you aren't allowed to do any work because some politician outlawed organic workers as "immoral"
The issue here is that if you wanted to do something like woodworking, you couldn't afford the wood to do so, nor would you be allowed to commit public deforestation, and you'd be left with nothing to do but consume the free media provided for you. Eventually the lack of heart and care put into the "art" you're consuming will wear on you and you'll seek something else to do and... BOOM empty room analogy.
And before you come out here with UBI, if everybody got paid for doing nothing and you used that meaningless money to buy things, how high do you think the price of any hobby is gonna become? They can make more money by charging you more, then UBI increases to account for it, then they charge more money because they can, then UBI increases to account for it, then they charge more money because they can... oh wait, just like minimum wage... weird, it's almost like it wouldn't change anything. Except you'd lose the opportunity to make more than minimum...
By accepting UBI and doing nothing extra you are accepting a life of poverty, for no reason. The only cheap things will be run by your advanced programs and so you'll be left with no hobbies to preform, as the materials for said hobbies would be too expensive. I enjoy painting minis as my hobby, specifically Warhammer 40k, I can barely afford this hobby as is. If I was basically making minimum wage, I'd have to put down the hobby period. And now we're back to an empty room filled with empty media to loosely bandage the empty hole in your chest.
Nice rant there except you are assuming that "work" at that point is still the method we are using to allot resources to people. Guess you are against the internal combustion engine that put buggy whip makers and many stable hands out of work. Or maybe the massive weaving looms that put weavers out if work. Or CNC machines that put various artisans out of the job?
Once more see my original reply. We have become a population of mostly idle hands. This is why workers are fighting for their rights to keep working. I already addressed that.
Also in the cases you've mentioned people still respect the handmade work. But OP is arguing that having organic workers would be "immoral" and wants to remove the human aspect from work. So while right now we have weavers who still do it the old way, that's because there is still a market for it. If you outlaw those weavers (the people themselves), then yes the argument becomes more relevant.
And what do you suppose people would be doing for your resource allotment?
I'm not sure he's advocating outlawing human labour, more that he views people having to do jobs they don't really like or care about to secure their allocation of resources is immoral.
We are assuming a transition to a post scarcity economy so there would be a base line allocation (UBI) that would eventually be increased to cover all basic needs and people would do jobs because that is what they wanted to do with their time, not to supplement their income anymore.
If you weren't so weirdly aggressive in every post here there might be a decent discussion to be had about the topic. But you sound like you've been snorting adderall and smashing things with a hammer for the last hour.
Eeeeem yes. That was adderall. Right