Premier League

1. Both arsenal and Chelsea were good at the time of Cole’s move. For a lot of the others arsenal have been a step below, and for Havertz it’s the opposite

2. the manner of his departure was also bad

It hurt with Cashley and Fabregas

does anyone know fps?

It feels like the only premiership London rivalries are (insert club here) vs spurs.

Oh and Chelsea, everyone hates them but that's fair enough.

Nah, maybe global Arsenal fans don't hate Chelski fans.

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But anyone who grew up in the UK with them buying leagues after coming from the championship/bankruptcy/mid table fucking despises them. They literally paved the way for City to ruin football and the prem.

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A lot of Chelsea fans are racist. They had a literal recruitment office for a far right nazi group outside of their stadium. But even the non racist ones just aren't nice people.

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They stole a lot of Arsenal's players by being fraudulent and paying money that they didn't have - any Arsenal fan that doesnt think they should be dissolved as a club isn't a real gooner.

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(yes I am bitter about the UCL's)

“Arsenal and Tottenham player would never transfer to each other, nor United players to city or Liverpool ect.”

*Sol Campbell, Emmanuel Adebayor, Pat Jennings, William Galas, Denis Law, Carlos Tevez, Owen Hargreaves, Peter Schmeichel, Brian Kidd, Raheem Sterling, James Milner, Paul Ince, Peter Beardsley, and Michael Owen have entered the chat.

That's because Chelsea buy everyone

Ashley Cole isn't respected by Arsenal fans.

There's a lot of animosity towards Petr Cech tbf, I'm disappointed to be responsible for most of it. Still bugs me that a genius like Arsène would be naive enough to end the summer transfer window with only one incoming player: a brain-damaged 33 year old near-post terrorist

I think its because for Ashley Cole, he was in his prime and beloved by the fans while the other transfers had spend their prime at their respective clubs. No one wanted Cole to move, things didn't work out salary wise, but the fans wanted him to stay.

For Havertz, he didn't quite click at Chelsea as everyone had hoped, so the fans don't see him as a big loss.

But Cech, David Luiz, Giroud, Jorginho, Willian etc, had served their respective clubs well and were looking to move. The fact that they moved to the other club was incidental.

Mainly because Cole is a Snake. But it was also when Rivalries were so big that the players wouldn’t interact on international duty.

Nowadays fans understand that football is a business and if it’s the club that decides to let the player go, then there is little animosity.

However, when it’s the player who pushes for the move then that’s when there is animosity. See Alexis, RVP, Nasri and Fabregas.

Ashley Cole hatred from us was warranted given the obvious tapping up and the manner of his leaving. It being a hated rival only added to it, but was not the major cause of our hatred of Ca$hley.

They like sucking each other off /s

These are players out of form. It would be different if Rice/Martinelli/Saka were to go to Chelsea in the next window

If you think there is no rivalry between Arsenal and Chelsea you’ve clearly never attended one of the games, watched it in a London pub, or have any friends who are fans of either club.

The diff is that Cashley was one of the best Left Back when he moved to Chelsea and in other hand Cech, Luiz, Willian all were in their decline. Havertz was hated by Chelsea's fans so it makes sense that they had zero problems with this transfer.

For ex. If we try to buy their best player right now like Enzo or Palmer they will go nuts for sure.

I just hated us buying players Chelsea no longer wanted.

Its been a while since both teams were in top 4. Probably that.

Coles problem was he went through the arsenal academy so was one of their own and the manner in which he left. His was purely for the money and if he hadn't said he nearly crashed his car in disgust at only being offered £60k a week instead of the £65k he wanted people probably wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

You cant compare these transfers.

Ashley Cole was an academy player, a youngster who grew into the team, he was an Arsenal fan growing up. Him leaving is like if Bukayo Saka left now to Chelsea. You would see "proper animosity" then, trust me.

Cech and David Luiz moved after their primes. They'd already had success at Chelsea and weren't good after they left. Arsenal thought they could do better than Giroud and were happy when he left. But he obviously was an important player for us and aged well.

Whereas Ashley Cole came from Arsenal's academy, I'm pretty sure supported them as a kid and was one of the best players in his his position in the world. And was slap bang in the middle of his prime. From Arsenal fan's perspective he left for money although it was probably more the principle and feeling valued by the club.

Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way about Mason Mount. Him going to a rival isn't what made fans angry. It's the fact he'd been at the club since he was a kid, had already had success with the club and was meant to be a key player for them moving forwards. And the fans feel he chose money over loyalty (again probably more to do with feeling valued).

I don't think Chelsea or Arsenal fans would care unless a player is basically leaving for money or because they think they can win trophies at the other club. So Van Persie going to United is probably more insulting to Arsenal fans than any of the Chelsea ones you listed. Or Fabregas going to Chelsea after Barca. He was already an Arsenal legend and had left in a bad way. Then returned to London to play for Chelsea (although Wenger didn't want him).

The rivalry means nothing if the player isn't good enough. Havertz isn't even in his prime yet but he wasn't living up to Chelsea fan's expectations and you could tell he needed a change to reignite his career.

And yeah they hate Spurs a lot more than each other. But the lack of transfers between them and Spurs comes from the Spurs end and Daniel Levy.

Ashley Cole got booed at every ground in the league. English football fans had a weird hated for him.

A big part of it is the level of the player when they leave, Ashley Cole was still amazing when he left. Havertz was hated, Luiz, Cech, Giroud, etc were all aging and didnt have much more to give to Chelsea

Tbh I think everyone hates Chelsea

Cole was arguably the best LB in the world when he left, and Arsenal and Chelsea were direct title rivals. None of those other names were as important or left at a time when the rivalry meant as much.

Have you not seen the Havertz hate? Chelsea fans celebrate a Havertz bad touch like it’s 3 points

Its quite simple. Ashley Cole was potentially the best LB in the world in 2006 and also somewhat forced his way out of Arsenal. All of those other players were either out of favour, or not bought as starters anyways.

They should swap squads on bi-quarterly basis. And combine both squads to beat Tottenham 7-0.

There's a difference between transferring (close to) washed-up players like Giroud, Luiz, Cech and Jorginho, or unwanted players like Kai. None of these players were expected to start for the selling team so there was no outcry.

Ashley Cole was an academy project and an invincible, just entering his prime. He left THAT team over 5k in wages and silently started the selling off process. It's completely different to the ones mentioned above.

It's a case by case basis, depends on the player and the circumstances at the time but what tends to be mutual and consistent is that we wish whoever makes the switch nothing but the worst (at club level).

Ashley Cole was a complete different case as Chelsea were on a rise with the money they just obtained.

He left Arsenal for a bigger wage (much bigger) not to say ofc he wanted to win trophies.

Other than him, the players exchanged were either not major players or players that have fell off or done their time.

They both decided it was more fun to shit on Tottenham instead.

None of the modern era players had the potential of Cashley. It was one of the first big Chelsea power moves when Roman came in if I remember right, so it upset a lot of people.