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I was a huge Potterhead back in the day (well...I still am, just not as obsessed). I know the books are great and all, I know how addictive her writing style is, that she can create such vivid and engaging characters and places, and the stories keep you hungry for more...but IMO that still does not completely explain the insane hype that generated. I don't think there has ever been this level of mania and craze for a book -- a children's/YA book for that matter. So I am wondering, what are some of the factor that led to the hype? I've heard things like the rise in Internet (and internet fandom), JKR's rags-to-riches story, etc all contributed. So for those who have been there, what was the mania like at that point, and what factors (aside from the quality of the books themselves) that lead to it?

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[–] cantthinkofcutename@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

For me a big part was that it was a book series that other people would talk about in depth. You don't get that with most books, and I can talk about books for days. I wouldn't put it in my top 10, but I know it back and forth because people will actually talk about it.

[–] HamBoneZippy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It makes more sense than most other trendy pop culture fads.

[–] International_Mix152@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

My daughter (9 at the time) was invited to a Harry Potter party and I was invited to stay. The moms all told me about the books (I hadn't heard of them before then). This was a year before the 4th one came out. I bought the first three and we were both immediately hooked. I loved the books, liked the movie. Now I am hooked on her Strike series. She really knows how to weave a story and the more you read, the more you learn.

[–] corruptboomerang@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It happened to be the right place, at the right time. It was a fine book that happened to be at a time when the internet where it could speak like wildfire but before any real literary critique. Then it got a lot of media attention.

Honestly, it just happened to be Johnny on the spot. Because if you critique the books, they're just a standard Children's to Young Adults Fantasy Series, they're probably a little poorly written compared to a lot of others in that space. But they just gained so much momentum.

[–] Pace-is-good@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The amount of time I spent online on forums chatting about theories, reading fan fics, etc, man those were the days of the internet. There is no where I feel like that online anymore. I used to on Reddit but it's different now too.

[–] jvin248@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Demographics played a huge part, a massive bubble of readers with a book they could be interested in. Tolkien's Lord Of The Rings books came out in time for the Baby Boomers to read them at just the right time. Mega rock 'n roll bands created songs around LOTR (such as Led Zeppelin). So all these Boomers had all their kids at just the right age for Harry Potter.

And then the clever message about getting kids to read 'wholesome' stories of a poor kid doing well in a fantastic world appealed to parents and kids alike.

Publishers kept the train rolling by getting these kids into other books as they got older, like the teenage vampires and dystopian games.

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[–] Vyni503@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I remember when book 4 came out the wait list at my school library was massive. So that was around late ‘00

[–] pineapplepredator@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I was in high school and all of my friends were telling me to read it. The books did nothing for me personally but the word-of-mouth was pretty strong.

[–] elviajedelviento@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I remember reading the first two books on a 3 week long holiday when I was 12, right before the start of secondary school. I think I even read the first book a second time during those weeks. The books weren't that well known yet, at least not among the general public. The lady at the bookstore had recommended them to my mom.

The world JKR creates just sucks you in. The rest of the books came out during the rest of my secondary school years and it almost felt like I was growing up alongside the characters, since I always was around the same age as them. That made it extra special, I think. That, and the anticipation of waiting for the new book to come out.

My twin brother and I would fight over who could read it first. I remember reading through the night, into to the morning, finishing the book in one go. The last ones we just read in English instead of waiting for the translation in our mother language.

[–] pornokitsch@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Londoner here, and it was nuts. Stories about the book, leaks about the story, stories about leaks about the story... these were in mainstream newspapers, often on the front page. It was a near-universal fandom.

It wasn't just 'stay up all night at bookshops' or 'every kid in costume' things - it was super mainstream. Everyone was into it. You'd see people on the underground, everyone carrying copies of the books, etc.

When Goblet of Fire came out, there were queues around the local Sainsburys to get copies. A lot of my - also adult - workmates would also bring their books into work, and we would sneak away for 'meetings' where we'd speed-read as rapidly as possible for an hour. It was amazing.

Sadly, I don't see that every happening again. Amongst other things: Amazon kind of killed it. The queues to get copies, the piles of books: these were not only 'bonding' activities, but they reinforced how BIG the phenom was. If anything ever happened like this again, it would involve a lot of cardboard boxes in the post, people privately reading, and then sharing on TikTok. Which obviously works, but even the upper limits of BookTok are still a long, long way from Pottermania.

There are other factors as well. Not to be an old dude, but the world is a lot more cynical now, and we're much crankier and more fragmented about our culture. It would be hard for any media property to achieve what Potter did when it came to being a breakthrough, universal obsession - much less another book.

Even, say, the heights of Game of Thrones or the MCU didn't quite do it - and those have the advantage of much more money behind them. Or look at, say, the infinite wealth and retail power of Amazon, and how much they spaffed on Rings of Power. That achieved maybe 1/1000th of a Pottermania. (It also wasn't as good, but still, it shows how hard it is manufacture this kind of fandom, even with platforms that big.)

It is sad, as - again, with rose-tinted glasses - I liked how Potter connected so many people. It felt like we were all enjoying the same thing, and you could talk about it with anyone. The world could use that again. (He says, sounding a lot like a shit Hallmark card.)

[–] Reasonable-HB678@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

An overabundance of people aged 6-18 in the late 1990's into the 2000's who actually liked reading.q

[–] markireland@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

It got kids reading again. It rose because of that vaccuum. Also it used the world of the boarding school that most young readers had no idea about.

[–] joe12321@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I read the first 3 (all that were out at the time, ~1999-2000) at about nineteen years old by the recommendation of my girlfriend at the time. I wasn't super-up on the craze otherwise, just vaguely familiar with the name. I continued through the three books (and eventually the rest) because I liked the books, and likewise, I think the primary reasons for the phenomenon are the books. Media attention and chance and other things certainly play a role, but people liked the stories, and that's what mattered most.

The prose isn't brilliant, but it's good enough to not annoy most people, and the characters, the world, and the plots are just better than average, occasionally way better. So my answer to "why the phenomenon," is a qualified, "the books are just really good." (Qualified because things can be really good even if not perfect, universally appealing, or even if they have bad qualities.)

Trans rights are human rights. JK sucks.

[–] spikeheadz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I tried reading it when I was 30 for the first time and didn’t get into them. I also have a hard time re reading the Chronicles of Narnia.

I think it hit kids at the right time were well written for their audience, but only ready the first 1.5, and I heard that they darken in tone.

Just one man’s opinion

[–] TheRadioDoesPlay@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I miss it. That was the best part of my summer any time a Harry Potter book came out.

[–] DungeonMasterGrizzly@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Wish fulfillment is powerful, and I don’t think that has been tapped very much before with books for kids. It was also appearing right as things were capable of going viral as we know it today.

[–] busselsofkiwis@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

For me it was the world building. The thought of a secret magical world that exists along side with ours in modern time sounded amazing.

The books also came out when I was around the same age as the characters, going to school, worrying about exams, holidays, crushes, etc. As the books were released it felt like I was growing up along with the characters as well. The books really helped me get through times and the releases gave me something to look forward to.

I'm very introverted and usually avoid people, but during the book and movie releases, I felt quite connected to people however brief that was. I think it's the same for most fandoms.

[–] corruptboomerang@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

For me it was the world building. The thought of a secret magical world that exists along side with ours in modern time sounded amazing.

But the World Building is no better than any books of the era. Indeed, there were plenty of other books that were far better world building around that same time. Like Wheel of Time has a far deeper, richer magic systems. His Dark Material is similar vibes and a far better magical systems. Others include The Magicians.

[–] zachgoeshiking@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The books you are comparing it to are all written for adults or at least much older. Harry Potter was leaps and bounds better than the other children’s books at the times

[–] busselsofkiwis@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

To each their own on what satisfies their imagination. If you happen to find another series that you like better, good on you. Doesn't make one better than the other.

[–] ohno807@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think this is it. It wasn’t just a story to escape into, it was an entire world. Harry Potter fans can talk about cities and sports and schools and historical events that simply do not even exist. It’s crazy.

I also think that the three primary characters are different enough that most people can identify with at least one of them.

[–] Book_Enthusiast64@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One factor to consider is the state of the YA genre c. 2000. Nowadays, kids ages 13-17 have TONS of books they can read that are targeted to their demographic, especially in the fantasy and paranormal category. But when Harry Potter was popular, young adult wasn't established as it is now. In short, there were fewer options.

[–] SEA_tide@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Presumably Scholastic publishing the books in the US also helped a lot as Scholastic basically had (and still has to an extent) a monopoly on book sales at schools.

[–] TotallyNotAFroeAway@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it was the idea of being a school you actually wanted to go to, rather than the boring place you were actually trapped in while reading it.

[–] Select-Ad7146@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Of course, many of the characters are bored at their magical school.

[–] hiekrus@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I can somehow understand purebloods, but I don't understand how muggleborns are so disinterested in learning magic. You are accepted to a wizardry school just after learning there is magic, and you spend your whole time there sitting in your common room gossiping while drinking pumpkin juice, really?

[–] Immediate-Coyote-977@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

In reality we don't really see much of what goes on outside of the trio, and we know Hermione sure as shit wasn't just sitting around gossiping and sipping pumpkin juice.

Snape's not a great example, but he was spending his free time (at least part of it) developing better ways to brew potions and inventing spells.

From what we know of Lily she was pretty similar to Hermione in that she was really engaged with all the magic stuff.

Maybe the good students just weren't the interesting ones because, no matter how cool the magic, doing it in the confines of the classroom or workshopping new spells in their free time doesn't sell the action and the drama.

[–] lostdimensions@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The wonder probably wore off after the first year.

[–] ThatcherSimp1982@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One can think of it by analogy to STEM subjects.

Lots of people love jet planes and robots and rockets and fancy chemical reactions.

Lots fewer people love figuring out why their computational fluid dynamics simulation doesn't converge, how to program a visual learning system to tell a ripe apple from an unripe one, how thick the combustion chamber wall needs to be, or fucking titration.

Similarly, there's probably lots of people who love the idea of magic and even the practical parts of it, but writing essays about the uses of dragon blood, not so much.

[–] Immediate-Coyote-977@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I'm sorry but, I have never been as excited about ML as I am at the thought of being capable of literal magic. You give me Harry Potter world magic, a wand, and a room of requirement and I'll be damned if anyone sees me for years.

[–] logic_over_emotion_@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’ve had this same question for a long time and put some thought into it.

Everything you mentioned of course, addicting writing, vivid places, good characters - but the big two for me are (imho) that it’s ‘believable fantasy’ and that she aged it up so well.

Unlike some other notable fantasy, Lord of the Rings, Redwall, Wheel of Time, etc - Harry Potter was set in our world, just hidden out of view. I think kids could much more easily believe that Hogwarts could be out there somewhere, that they could get a letter one day and go to magic school. For all the fantasy elements, it has some realism that feels truly authentic, which is why I think they pull off Harry Potter World in Universal so well too.. it feels magical but also like you’re really there.

Then, where kids normally grow out of a series, or are too young for it originally, HP captured them young and the books aged up in maturity to adulthood.. and many were doing at a similar age of Harry, Ron and Hermione, making them even more relatable. The grow-up aspect of them made them appealing to all age groups, which I think was the final piece needed to make it such a huge phenomenon.

Like others have said, I’ve seen better writing, better magic systems, better characters, across other books.. but I can still always go back and easily drop into the world of HP and Hogwarts.. it’s always been a mental break, cozy getaway. Just my humble opinion, but hope this perspective helps.

[–] jeffh4@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Don't know if I'll ever run across a better villain.

What, you're assuming that to be Voldemort, or Snape? Nooooo. I mean Delores Umbrage.

I got so angry at her, I had to put the book down and take a break on multiple occasions. I haven't had that happen for any other book.

[–] OhioBricker@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The first Harry Potter book got a ton of media coverage. A lot of it had to do with the surprise that literature was still capable of getting young people excited about reading. The Internet was relatively new, at that point, and cable TV was still a really big deal.

[–] Shashara@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

yeah i think it's also because back then, we didn't have booktoks and bookstagrams and blogs and goodreads and amazons and all the other avenues where tons and tons of books are advertised and talked about all day every day.

back then you either heard about books from your friends or the media, or you went to the library and explored for yourself.

when a book series got attention it got a lot of it because everyone's attention wasn't divided in all these different places, we all watched the same channels and read the same magazines.

[–] Yellowbug2001@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah I think it happened at the exact magic moment where the internet had the ability to reach almost everybody, but everybody hadn't figured out that they could use the internet to reach pretty much any crazy thing they wanted yet, so for a hot minute (or more like a decade from 1997 to about 2007) it was this very powerful engine that was able to turn everyone's attention to the exact same things.

[–] corruptboomerang@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the thing is, if you actually look at the Harry Potter Series, they're actually kinda bad; at minimum, no better than any other book series of the time.

[–] QuestioningYoungling@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

What book series from that time do you think is at HP level? Honestly, as far as children's fantasy books go, I think the Hobbit and Narnia are the only ones from before HP that are even close.

[–] Ayearinbooks@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My memory may be betraying me - I was a kid when they came out - but my memory is off reading the first one shortly after it came out with no context that it was the new big thing and then a few months later it being this big sensation. My understanding is it became a big deal by word of mouth first and then the publishers caught up and magnified that

[–] ink_stained@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The publishers knew it was a big deal. The CEO at Scholastic had to approve the deal because the advance - which by today’s standards is modest - was considered massive at the time.

No one could have predicted what it would become though. Same with Hunger Games. Also Scholastic. She was an in house author but the building shook when that book came in.

[–] NoLemon5426@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I worked at Barnes and Noble before the 4th book came out and it was such a fun time. We did readings and the kids were just out of their minds over Harry Potter, even correcting us when we mispronounced words or names. E.g. it's how I learned how to say Hermione. "It's HER-MY-OH-KNEE!" out of the mouth of babes.

[–] buster_rhino@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think another part of it was that the first four books were released in four years, with the movies starting to come out shortly after. In all there were seven books released in 10 years and 8 films in 10 years with a few years of overlapping new books and movies being released. It was a huge hype train that kept picking up momentum.

[–] TurelSun@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think more specifically though, is that at least initially it kept pace age wise with its readers. Not everyone was maybe exactly the main characters age when they started reading it, but about the same amount of time had passed between them and the books became a bit more adult as a lot of the readers also got older, and this was also mirrored with the movies. Its like many of us actually grew up with the characters as they grew up.

[–] YayaGabush@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In 3rd-ish grade one of my classmates said "My mom won't let me read Harry Potter because it's witchcraft!"

And my kid-self thought "...wait that's the point though? It's a story book. So the story is witchcraft. The book ITSSELF isn't witchcraft and it doesn't teach you witchcraft does it??"

So I checked it out from the library and wham-bam-thank-you-maam I loved the books.

[–] Reasonable-HB678@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

The documentary Jesus Camp had an individual who implored her younger congregants to avoid the Harry Potter novels because of those claims of witchcraft.

[–] halkenburgoito@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sorry.. but I don't think JKR's rag to riches story made one fucking difference to kids picking up the books.

I genuinely think it was the books themselves, the topic, setting, characters, writing quality, world building, etc.

It just hit the mark.

[–] Mddcat04@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Seriously. Everyone in this thread seems to be searching for complex explanations and conspiracies when the simple answer is right there. The HP books are fairly well written and have a broad appeal. They arrived when YA was not a saturated market and they were pretty different from most of what had come before.

Then they kept coming out at a regular schedule with growing complexity and maturity.

[–] Logical_Cherry_Red@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

American kids especially not realising how much of the book was just British (or more specifically, British boarding school culture) rather than specifically magical.

Boarding school friendship books have always done well in the UK anyway (Enid Blyton, Tom Brown's School Days).

That plus the fact that there hadn't been a "fad" phenomenon that was easily marketed for a while in that space.

[–] uselessoldguy@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Ursula K. Le Guin once waved off Harry Potter as just more Enid Blyton novels and it may be the most literary shade anyone's ever thrown.