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I'm not anywhere close to the point where I'll be constantly transferring data. I'll be using it mostly as a plex server, not yet remotely for other people or myself either. Is the premium for NAS drives truly warranted for the average user? Or at that point, are NAS rated drives more just the only way to get drives over 5TB~ capacity in the first place?

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[–] dr100@alien.top 2 points 9 months ago

NAS drives are the "shut up about your disk being slow, your gigabit is even slower" category (back when they were introduced most NASes couldn't even fill up the gigabit, if they had it at all). That is if anyone asks how they're different from the "DAS" and "Server" category. That somehow the marketing was so successful that now they're considered superior to the others is another story.

[–] daHaus@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Assume it's all marketing unless proven otherwise

[–] brianly@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

How much are you saving? Since I have a job, and would rather trade some money for more time, I choose nicer kit with better warranty. I definitely didn’t do this when I was younger and would run at a much lower cost.

I had more losses and maintenance work back then. In either case, the real specs are what matters. There is more obfuscation of things now than there used to be. There is also more market consolidation and less competition to keep manufacturers on their toes. None of this is great for the consumer.

[–] SamSausages@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think in general they have lower RPM and run a bit cooler and use a little less power. That usually comes with a bit less performance.

But I'm hooked on the WD Ultrastar series. Server Grade and fast. Also has low power usage, at full tilt, mine use less than 10w each. I'm running 20 hc530's and been rock solid.

[–] MeisterLoader@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

If you plan on doing any sort of RAID array stay away from SMR disks, they are hugely performance costly because of having to read multiple layers to get down and read/write to lower layers across multiple disks.

[–] HTWingNut@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

WD Blue 8TB is a CMR drive and just as good as any NAS drive. But I'd avoid any consumer grade hard drives 8TB and under:

  • Seagate Barracuda / Barracuda Compute
  • WD Blue (except 8TB)
  • WD Red (Red Plus and Red Pro are fine tho)
  • Toshiba DT02
  • Toshiba P300
[–] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

+1

You've listed all the 3.5" consumer drives. Though WD Red is listed as a NAS drive.

Barring an unfounded conspiracy, there is no >8TB DM-SMR drive drives. There are >8TB HM-SMR drives in the NAS and Enterprise lines, but they require specialized hardware and software.

In addition for completeness, all consumer 2.5" Seagate and WD drive >500GB are SMR. The 9.5mm Toshiba L200 1TB is CMR, but the 7mm model is SMR.

[–] Atlasatlastatleast@alien.top 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I know CMR vs SMR but what is HM/DM?

Also, I have a couple of those “Max Digitsl Data” drives, 4 & 10TB. Do you happen to know which those are?

[–] Far_Marsupial6303@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

DM-SMR is Drive Managed-SMR. All the write/read activity is handled by the onboard electronics.

HM-SMR is Host Managed-SMR. All write/read activity is handled by specialized external hardware and software. They're far from the capabilities of most home users today.

The current 26TB WD Ultrastar and upcoming 28TB WD drives are HM-SMR. The upcoming 30TB Seagate is also HM-SMR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13z7w96/lets_discuss_dmsmr_hmsmr_hasmr_and_dropbox/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/146hb9k/information_about_cmr_to_smr_manufacturer/

Your MaxDigitalData (MDD) drive is likely CMR because they're almost surely used enterprise drives. However, be careful as there was a user whose drive was HM-SMR and unusable.

MDD is a division of GoHardDrive and IMO, are drives that GoHardDrive doesn't want to sell under their own name. Also Avolusion (externals) is a division of GoHardDrive and has been reported to contain used drives.

[–] umataro@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

DM is death match. HM is a clothing brand (Hennes & Mauritz)