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I am prepared to toast myself a bit here but if you asked this 3 or 4 years ago you would have been flammed alive, now 90% of the comments are backing it. So why has attitudes to immigration changed ?

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[–] Fluid@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s a false flag. The are many contributing factors to CoL increases, particularly the aussie housing market. Supply and demand is one variable, in which immigration plays a part, but it is far from the major contributor. Don’t be fooled by false dichotomies which constrain the argument to one very small if/or discussion. If we want real change in wealth inequality in this country, there are plenty of more effective policies to be discussed, such as removing tax offests on investment properties for one.

[–] ephemeral_gibbon@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago

I think we need action on many fronts to fix our fucked housing market, the ratio of immigration to new builds is definitely a factor pushing up housing.

We do also need to kill shit like negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount. We also need better anti money laundering real estate laws.

However, both owning and renting a house is unaffordable, with very low vacancy rates. That suggests that there is a concrete lack of supply relative to population change, and reducing immigration could help with that

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I have no issue with immigration.

The problem I feel most people are having is that there is zero spending on the infrastructure required for the population increase we are seeing.

Since it seems calls to improve the ridiculous housing supply are falling on deaf ears no matter what party is in power, the next issue that comes up is immigration.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

Mine have absolutely changed. I'm even more open to it than I already was. Fuck xenophobes

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

The solution is not really banning immigration, but stopping people who don't live there owning a lot of property. I know they have to go through an approval process and pay a vacancy fee if they don't live there, but that's not really an issue for the super wealthy.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago

That subreddit leans conservative, it has become the default for people who dislike how "woke" the main Australia subreddit is and/or were banned from it. It's not necessarily a reliable indicator of what Australians actually think.

[–] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago

We kind of need immigrants to offset our aging population.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

I mean Australian culture has always had a divide on immigration and who is the "right sort" of person to allow in.

It was the white Australia policy, then Greeks and Italians got the beat up but were let in, the 80s and 90s it was blaming Asian migrants/Indian migrants for everything, 2000s was Lebanese followed by islamophobia.

Look at parties like "sustainable Australia" pretty name for a pretty fashy party haha.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I've never heard of that subreddit, and demographics of Reddit have likely changed in recent months and years.

Brigading from right-wing American subreddits became very common in the last 2 years or so too, and although I'm not going to visit Reddit to check, that would be my first assumption.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago

I’ve never heard of that subreddit

It's a conservative alternative to the main Australia subreddit. Most of the people are there because they think the main subreddit is "woke" or because they were banned.

[–] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago

The pictured/quoted "What are your Australian thoughts?" is scary on so many levels.

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago

Man I love immigration, but people immigrating here are going to want to live somewhere. We need more housing and services to support the immigration.

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago

I get the feeling r/Australian typically would never have been too fond of govt using mass immigration to inflate housing and lower wages.

I think even the average r/Australia member came to that realisation some time ago.