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I've been wanting to switch from the Samsung Galaxy ecosystem for a while. I bought an iPhone, which I quite liked and wanted to buy an apple watch. I decided to go for the SE as I have no reason for more.

But now I'm refunding it since apparently it doesn't support an on screen keyboard even though I paid extra for the larger 44mm. But I have to pay EVEN MORE for a Series 9 to get a SOFTWARE FEATURE.

Why?! It's not like it costs Apple any extra to put a bunch of pixels on a screen. Not being able to reply to texts is a crucial feature for me on the apple watch.

And no, dictation doesn't cut it. It's awful in my language and creates unnecessary noise. Scribbling is painfully slow and makes you look like an idiot. And of course whipping out your iPhone to write defeats the whole purpose.

On my Galaxy Watch 5 Pro (which despite its Pro name cost me about as much as the SE) I was able to install Gboard and use swipe type which lets me write multi word sentences pretty quickly. Don't tell me that the 3 trillion dollar company can't figure it out.

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[–] Arlilecay@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Sounds like you have a reason for more, if you want the on-screen keyboard.

[–] OldVenomSnake@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I don't work for Apple, so can't say if it's just Apple gatekeeping features for higher-end watches or there is really a technical reason. However, I think you overthink too much about the keyboard feature. I'm using an S7 and I would only use the keyboard to do really short replies and will take out my phone for anything longer than a few words.

[–] xenhenben@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

40mm SE is too small, and Apple didn't want to give it to 44mm so they decided to make it exclusive to S7 and up. Unfortuantely Apple sometimes does stuff like that and gives you no freedom to choose whether you want to enable it or not. It should be an option in settings with a warning available for all models.

[–] dicaprihoe@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I agree with you, I was also disappointed. That’s Apple for you, have to pay an extra 400 bucks for a fucking keyboard.

[–] KenRodriguezz@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

OP is getting ⬇️⬇️⬇️

[–] Snoo52211@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

That's why you get the s7 my dude.

[–] puzzlemann92@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Okay so the real reason is, according to Apple, the Series 7 which introduced the keyboard has more space for the keyboard.

If you ask me, the actual reason is there are not enough features to differentiate the S7 from the S6, so Apple kept that feature exclusive intentionally. The AW starting from S5 through S9 has been mostly the same. You get some new sensors in newer models, some slicker bezels starting from the series 7, but not enough features from my point of view. I am still okay with a series 6.

[–] gummy1000@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

On screen keyboard really isn’t as hype as your thinking it is, have the Ultra and I still find that trying to type on it to be a pain unless I’m sitting still and focus which at that point I’m just gonna pull out my phone.

[–] hotelyankee@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

have you tried any of the predicted responses underneath the text message? I upgraded to an Ultra and never use the keyboard. if it takes more than tapping a quick reply to email or text, I reply on the phone. even with a big flat screen and keyboard it's less efficient to reply in detail on the watch unless you're dictating, which you said you don't do.

[–] reversethrust@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I’ve had an Apple Watch since series 5 and I think I used the keyboard twice when I first got it. Haven’t used it since. Quick replies are good enough - no one is writing much on their watch if they are busy working out.

[–] JasonDetwiler@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I cannot fathom the idea of actually using an on screen keyboard on a watch. If I’m going to type something, I will pull out my phone. I have an SE1 and the dictation works just fine. Also the predicted responses work just fine as well as the emojis. I did not know any watch had an on screen keyboard, and for the life of me, could not imagine myself ever using it. I am sorry that you have such an emotional response to this seemingly completely useless feature not being included. I hope that you can find a way to be happy with a phone and watch combination in the future.

[–] OphioukhosUnbound@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t use it much, but it actually, very surprisingly, works quite well. It does more prediction and gives you more options as you type. I think it does more inference regarding your fat fingers and what they could possible mean. I was actually impressed.

Still not something I do much, but impressive.

[–] Tumblrrito@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

There’s an app that works as a keyboard but only for Messages: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/flicktype-watch-keyboard/id1359485719

[–] techtom10@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

S7 and above is a bigger screen than the SE2. Why don't you get a refurb instead? I bought a Stainless Steel S7 for £210

[–] BroderUlf@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

That's weird. I'm pretty sure my Watch 3 had it.

[–] CreeperThePro@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Small ass screen

[–] phixional@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If it is that important to you, would you not research things before buying them?

[–] OphioukhosUnbound@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Pretty reasonable to expect a keyboard to be there.

[–] Sylvurphlame@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The 41/45 mm models have a larger screen. While the 44 mm could handle the on-screen keyboard, the 40 wouldn’t do so nearly as well and they’re not going to have it missing from just one model.

So you’re complaining about a software feature is directly tied to hardware considerations and justifiably absent.

[–] Nichigan90@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The series watches have bigger screens to fit the keyboard. It won’t fit properly on the SE/SE2

[–] FinestKind90@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I got a refurbished series 7 from apple for £50 more than a new SE2, it has full keyboard typing too. I’d see what the price difference is for you I think it’s worth it for the keyboard and aod

[–] Piano_mike_2063@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You know the drawing it’s not so bad after ya get used to it. I bought a keyboard but after I got used to the draw I hardly ever use it.

[–] uwfan893@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit just take out your phone.

[–] Piano_mike_2063@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

What if you’re out and about abc your battery goes to 0%. What if …. That 1/2 the reason peope get these.

[–] beanie_0@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Apple will say the screen is too small, really they want you to pay for more features.

[–] Laketech@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t completely disagree with you, but the fact is, if you want the full feature set. You just gotta pay for it.

[–] mehgcap@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It's certainly annoying, and as far as I can tell, the only reason is to have a feature on the more expensive models. That said, you could try a used or refurb Series 7 or Series 8. Both of those will have the keyboard.

[–] ObligatedName@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Well… you went from a pro model watch to a budget model watch. I’m fairly certain you answered your own question in the post.

[–] marcelocampiglia@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Probably because using the on screen keyboard on small display is very bad

[–] Cerenia@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I bought the SE2. It doesn’t bother me the slightest it doesn’t have a keyboard. I’m not gonna write long essays to friends anyways. I just speak what I need to reply and it sends it. If I can’t speak because I’m in public I just grab my phone obviously.. it’s not missing anything for me.

Don’t be so quick to return it! Do you really need to text?

[–] Reasonable-Total-628@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

u may want to return to samsung

[–] kduong89@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Because it's a SE

[–] Serotonin-_-Dficient@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Ultra 2; keyboard is too small for my dainty fingers on the biggest watch. Voice text is far more accurate. You’re not missing anything on that feature one bit. There are totally reasons to get newer ones, but this is dumb.

[–] webbyspidey@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Bro you bought the lowest end and cheapest watch that apple offers and you’re complaining that it doesn’t have the features of Apple’s highest end watches? nah..

[–] OphioukhosUnbound@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Hmm. That is strange. I don’t think of Apple as doing much artificial gating. This may be that (and I’m not opposed to charging for software), but it is notable that the Apple Watch keyboard does a lot of prediction. It works surprisingly well and clearly does a lot of guessing and prompting to deal with the fact that a finger is like 4 keys large. I don’t know much about the SE, but I wonder if they found the experience or be worse there. (If they’re going to give dictation it wouldn’t make a ton of sense not to give a keyboard if it were an option I’d think.)

Question: what language do you speak that dictation works poorly in? Just curious. I only recently tried it (dictation) and I was blown away by how well it works in English.