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From what I read on this sub, the focus seems to be in developing countries or Eastern Europe. Just curious as to why US/Canada isn't as popular as DN?

I get that it's more expensive but there are ways around it. I think the beauty and stuff to do in such country tops a lot of places!

Just being curious and would like to know your point of views, not trying to take away anything from other countries :)

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[–] EhCanada1984@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

They definitely are, but since many DNa are actually from US and Canada, they know how to do it so they’ll just do it and won’t ask about it much.

Also because of the cost (US) and weather (Canada), most people stay there briefly.

[–] theretirednomad@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Expensive, (mostly) not walkable, healthcare is turbo expensive.

You can have a very nice life on half a US budget in most of the world.

[–] zrgardne@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you own a car, car camping around the state lands and national parks would totally be doable.

I did a 2 month road trip. Fuel is cheaper in US than muxh of the world. Groceries too. Restaurant food has gone way up with inflation.

Problem is you can't really buy a car as a foreigner. And renting one for 3 months is going to be insane.

Van, campers rentals were expensive when I looked in 2019. Cheaper to stay in a hotel. I can only imagine now after the COVID hype how expensive they are.

Hostels aren't really a thing in the US, so finding a place to sleep for under $50 a night is a challenge

[–] SCDWS@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] iskosalminen@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

And that's a big category, as it's not just the cost of food and lodging, it's also things like healthcare, insurance, transportation, and so on.

[–] gilestowler@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Absolutely the cost for me. I grew up in London but live in the French Alps most of the year now. I had a hankering for living in a big city again for a bit and, just out of curiosity and knowing it was very, very silly, I looked up prices in New York. I always wanted to visit and it seems like the kind of city I'd really like. As soon as I saw the prices I confirmed to myself it was a complete non starter. I ended up in Mexico instead and it was fantastic - and cheap.

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[–] inglandation@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Most of US cities are not walkable, on top of being prohibitively expensive.

I liked Montreal as a more affordable city. It’s also one of those rare North American metropolises that is actually walkable to some degree, with decent public transportation.

[–] Neverland__@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m Aussie spending around 8/9 months a year in MTL as my home base and I think it’s an awesome place to live…. Just not in winter

[–] inglandation@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Oh for sure, I spent 4 months there in summer, but I wouldn't stay in winter. I came to terms with the fact that there was no perfect place on Earth a long time ago. Montréal came close for me, I made lots of friends very quickly.

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[–] the_vikm@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Most of US cities are not walkable, on top of being prohibitively expensive.

What does that have to do with anything? Renting a car in the US is dirt cheap

[–] inglandation@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Define dirt cheap? Also what happens if you have an accident? Health insurance in the US is twice as expensive with my nomad plan.

Some nomads like me also don't like car-centric cities. I like being able to walk everywhere (or at least use public transportation), and if there are cars around me, they shouldn't have priorities over pedestrians. By that I mean that traffic lights turn green more often so you don't have to wait for several minutes to cross the road, the speed limit is controlled, etc. It's a personal preference, and many cities in the US don't really fit those criteria.

I had a great time in the US as a tourist, but I don't see myself living there.

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[–] 4BennyBlanco4@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Renting a car is not complicated in the US at all.

[–] inpapercooking@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

But it is expensive these days

[–] JossWhedonsDick@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

what about renting a fully furnished RV as a non-resident?

[–] ricky_storch@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can't do 99% of that cool stuff without a car and spending $500-1000/weekend just on those little side trips.

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[–] Potado@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a thing in outdoorsy areas away from people. Think Newfoundland, Alaska/Yukon, Montana, Utah, Arizona & Vancouver Island.

Also ski resorts: Canmore, Revelstoke, Colorado.

As far as cities go, the only appealing place is Montreal, but it's not quite as expansive as what you'd find elsewhere in the world.

[–] Wild_Trip_4704@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

rent still going up like everywhere else, though.

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[–] Koen-K@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The draw of DN is not to see the same five chains in every American city but to experience the entire world at a much more affordable price. I've been to almost every big American city and a ton of medium-sized ones. They are largely all the same with the same generic bars, restaurants, shops, and generic downtown attractions. American culture is boring. I've lived here my whole life. I'm trying to eat street food every day and live in a walkable community in a country I've never been to.

[–] neonblakk@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

American culture is at best boring and at worst terrifying. There’s the obvious things, like guns, violence, racism, police brutality, politics, nationalism and celebrity worshiping that make it pretty low on most people’s lists of places to go.

When bother when the world has so many cool places?

[–] diskiller@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

This. It also frankly sucks here. I get the feeling most of the posters in here ARE Americans wanting to escape this distopian place and explore the world on the cheap. I'm an expat living and working in America (used to be a work visa, now GC) but I honestly can't stand it here. Everyone I'm friends with at work feels the same way. But the money. The money is just too good. Like really really really good. So go perm remote and travel to other countries is the only way to survive and keep your sanity. Been doing it for a few years now and couldn't imagine living any other way now. I get depressed every time I have to return to the US for a while.

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[–] suriyanram@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Well, I have lived in a subaru outback for a few years in the California area. Main reason was cause I loved hiking the Sierra region. The main obstacle I would think is internet connectivity- which can be resolved by starlink (not available at that time) - but I had hotspots and yagi antennas to pull signal. Then i drove into Mexico and lived a couple of years hoppping cities and volcanoes. Then South america. The point is that its doable.

[–] neonblakk@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

People usually go to places that:

  1. offer good value for money
  2. offer an exciting, culturally-rich lifestyle.

The US and Canada offer neither. They’re expensive and the only culture they offer is capitalism.

[–] SCDWS@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Montreal & Quebec City are the closest you'll get to 2) in Canada and the US and actually, also 1), comparatively.

[–] the_vikm@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They’re expensive and the only culture they offer is capitalism.

Sounds like something only an American would say

[–] neonblakk@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh, no. Most of the people I talk to don’t really have a strong interest in going there for the above reasons. Maybe New York for a visit, but that’s it.

[–] BreakdancingGorillas@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Oof. You need to travel more

[–] matthewjc@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lol classic anti American reddit take. Saying the US doesn't have culture is moronic.

[–] neonblakk@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Not a culture I’m particularly interested in but you do you.

[–] Sapa777@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Its “culture” is pretty bland

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[–] SLPERAS@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because digital nomads aren’t real ballers. Most of them just make something similar to a full time job in western world. Because they don’t have to go to a office they’ll live like ballers in developing countries where prices are cheap. You can’t afford to live like that in USA, Canada, etc..

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[–] Devilery@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No idea how your brain works but yes, to rent a basic studio as a foreigner in LA, you need $2500 minimum, anywhere in SEA or South America, you’re living like a king/queen on that budget - likely a small villa, eating out daily, doing whatever activities you want.

Visas are also more tricky in the US, at least for me as a European.

[–] Pengo2001@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not forget the health care system in America that‘s based on scamming the people.

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[–] AntiqueSunrise@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The US is pretty damn expensive.

[–] Moist_Passage@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Americans see a lot of it growing up here visiting friends and family. The only stuff worth seeing is public lands and ghost towns since every town is the same series of strip malls and box stores. There are a few worthwhile cities as well, mostly the priciest.

So either you’re a devoted outdoors person when here or you don’t see much of the good stuff

[–] BreakdancingGorillas@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oof. Need to travel more. There's plenty else to see

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[–] the_vikm@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No visas that would allow such a thing

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[–] Helpmehelpyoulong@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From California. It costs me more to fly from hometown to SF, than it does to fly from SF to Asia. I’ve eaten plenty of solo meals at home for what I’ve paid to fly to whole ass other countries. Living in the US is a scam at every turn. We have absolutely horrid public transport and getting from one destination to another via car can take multiple days which most visitors don’t wrap their heads around until after they arrive thinking they can drive from NYC to the Grand Canyon in a day or something. Probably the biggest reason against the US for most though is that we have by far the most expensive healthcare in the world. If you have to seek medical attention for any reason at all, you better pray you have really great insurance or be prepared to drain your life savings and be in debt until the day you die paying it off.

[–] 1ATRdollar@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Please just have even basic health insurance. Don’t be like Mary Lou Retton who for some reason didn’t keep up her premiums, got that rare pneumonia and then had to ask the world for money.

[–] rubey419@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Most of us want to be DN’s specifically to travel abroad and have more affordable living.

[–] spicy_pierogi@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just booked an Airbnb for 3 months in Toronto during low season. It will cost me over $6k USD total for lodging alone. That's why.

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[–] HighlightStreet8973@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

The USA & Canada are massive overpriced shitholes in comparison to most of Europe & large parts of Asia. People will either hate that fact, or try to dispute it, but it's so true it's painful.

[–] shufflepoint@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The US is the most popular DN destination in the world.

There are about 600,000 H-1B visa holders.

[–] calitexnutterschpiel@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

H-1B ≠ DN

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[–] zapembarcodes@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

but there are ways around it.

Sure! You can sleep in a tent.

[–] dottedsquare@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Probably cost and also a negative bias that the US and Canada don’t offer cultural experiences. Having spent time slow traveling in different provinces and states, I disagree that we have no culture. You find what you look for.

I’m based in dual citizen US-Canada. Based out of Toronto and wfh so I decided to take long workcations in different cities across Canada. Ended up going to the same ones over and over again. Montreal and Quebec City. Monthly rentals are the best value and varied from 1200usd (Quebec City - low) 1800 usd (Halifax - mid) 2800 usd (Montreal - when I splurged on a really nice place in the summer. Can be done for less.)

[–] hydra1970@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I can get a nice place in Bangkok for a third of the price for a crappy place off the freeway in Bakersfield California

[–] TransitionAntique929@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Transport is too expensive and that is the only reason. Buy a car or better a van and they are the best two countries in the world to visit. Good roads and a variety of climates.

[–] Myraan@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Mate have you been to north American cities? They suck (with some exemptions) and are expensive. The worst from both worlds.

[–] Wild_Trip_4704@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Cold and expensive, among other reasons.

I have family in Montreal that I can stay with, though. Wouldn't mind doing a yearly summer trip there.

and cars are essential in most of the US and make navigating parts of Canada easier.

[–] Conscious-Tone-2827@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I'm an American with remote work, and it's so incredibly expensive here. I'm not even in a big, major city. I end up staying with my parents inbetween my travels.

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