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The government is days away from a Nov. 18 shutdown, which could force Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees and federal air traffic controllers to work without pay just as the busy Thanksgiving travel season begins.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why is it that people are forced to work without pay when it's Congress that's not able to do it's job?

Let them all stay home and absolute chaos erupt. Maybe then Congress will be able to come to some sort of compromise if they actually had consequences to face.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If they are forced to work then they must be paid, but payment is delayed until after the shutdown ends.

They could stay home instead, in which case they'll probably be fired and obviously won't get back pay.

As of 2019, furloughed employees (those not allowed to work during a shutdown, like park rangers) also must be paid after the shutdown, as if they had shown up to work.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With interest and late fees paid to the worker right?

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you don't pay me why the fuck would I go to work? Is there a law preventing federal employees from basically furloughing themselves?

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure air traffic control is required by law to show up for work during a federal shutdown even if they aren't being paid.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"These folks are responsible for the very important and stressful job of making sure planes don't crash into each other."

"Should we pay them?"

"Nah."

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

collects paycheck for causing said shutdown

[–] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Is that the WTC?

No.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

iirc pretty much yes

Non-essential offices and staff close, essential staff are forced to work unpaid

Generally they will be paid back after the shutdown ends

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

~~They have always been paid back, but they are not legally required to be paid back.~~

They do it because if they didn't, they would have mass quieting, i.e actual consequences. Refusing to backpay even once would end this shutdown game forever because 99% of "essential" workers would walk the fuck off immediately the next time.

Congress fully understand what fuckery they are up to, and are 100% counting on people not calling them on their bullshit.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

they are not legally required to be paid back.

Employees who are forced to work have always been legally entitled to payment for their work after the shutdown ends.

In past shutdowns, employees who were furloughed (forced to stay home) were not legally entitled to payment after the shutdown, but nevertheless were paid as if they had shown up. As of 2019, they are now legally entitled too.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good info. Appreciate the correction.

[–] itsnotits@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I know. That was auto correct being stupid not me. I never type ' it always does it automatically even if it isn't required sometimes.

[–] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You running autoshit is clearly not stupid.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it stupid when it corrects 99% of important shit correctly and doesn't correct the 1% of mundane shit that only Grammer Nazis care about?

[–] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

You're wrong. It "corrects" already correct shit into shit shouldn't and AIN'T.

Also, stop saying Nazi anymore. They're about to literally kill you doing that shit before too long. So get out of the habit now. Also, they can track you here.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weather in the United States will be real bad Thanksgiving weekend. The Govt will be shutdown, too.

Seriously, just stay home.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think we can predict the weather that far in advance.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That site only gives the weather for my location until Friday.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Use the names of the models. Corporations blocked the public access and put it behind paywalls like Radar Omega.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Here's a good forecast showing the models predicting a Thanksgiving storm

If you're flying anywhere in the Southeast you're gonna have a bumpy ride.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Thanks, GOP

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

This is the DEMOCRATS fault that Republicans can't pass a bill in their own Party to fund the Government!

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The government is days away from a Nov. 18 shutdown, which could force Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees and federal air traffic controllers to work without pay just as the busy Thanksgiving travel season begins.

Around 4.7 million people are expected to fly over the five-day period surrounding Thanksgiving, the highest projection in nearly two decades, according to a forecast released Monday by AAA.

If you’re flying during a shutdown, arrive at the airport extra early,” Paula Twidale, senior vice president of AAA Travel, told The Hill.

While Figueroa stressed it’s still too far out to have firm figures, she said the airport relies on federal agency partners including the capacity of TSA officers and air traffic controllers to keep those passengers moving smoothly.

“Critical functions at the FAA can be suspended during a shutdown, causing significant issues for aircraft manufacturers and regional airports, and — importantly — passengers needing to get to their next destination quickly and safely,” Moran said.

Failure to adequately fund the FAA and TSA risks our ability to function efficiently and is not conducive to the growth and vitality of our airspace,” Marli Collier, a spokesperson for Airlines for America, told The Hill.


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