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I'd like to talk to the instance moderator who removed my community without talking to me first. (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world to c/support@lemmy.world
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As is stated in the title, I created and moderated !prolife@lemmy.world. According to the modlog, this community was removed 10 days ago. The modlog doesn't show me who removed the community. I understand the community wouldn't necessarily be everyone's cup of tea, but the actions taken seem improper.

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After making my case via email to info@lemmy.world, I received the following response:

"We would rather not have a prolife community on our instance. We were getting a lot of reports about it and we have enough on our plate. I'm sure you can find an instance that better suits your needs."

This community was incredibly small (19 subscribers), had less than 10 postings, and had several waves of trollings. Yet, the admins of lemmy.world would rather do away with this community than bother to review if it has broken any rules or is the target of trolling/bullying. I take nothing away from the right to run their instance as they see fit. Perhaps the Code of Conduct should also explicitly state "we reserve the right to do anything we want, regardless of any published rules".

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[–] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably violated TOS. "pro life" is a descriptor for a set of loosely connected beliefs aimed at subjugating half of the world's population. Find an instance that is OK with slavery and hate speech, it will probably go better for you there.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I checked the terms for lemmy.world and mastodon.world. I don't what rule was explicitly broken. That's why I am asking to discuss this with the mod team.

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Might be a good spot for one of the instance moderators to chime in. Not sure if it's appropriate to tag them in posts like this but it might be a nice spot to provide a clear explanation that others can point to for future examples of this type of removal.

I didn't see anything about misinformation in the CoC but one of them might have felt the community was inflammatory. It'll also be interesting to see if this is one of those things they just don't want on their instance. While we would like impartial instances in general, they are running it for us and Lemmy is likely in a limbo period of trying to establish precedence for what is allowed.

One of the reasons I wanted to follow this post is to hopefully get an even clearer explanation on what is allowed and what to expect going forward from this instance.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

FYI, I updated the post with a follow-up.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup. Totally reasonable take. I'm all for following the rules. I just didn't see any rules being broken by creating the !prolife@lemmy.world community.

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I wasn't able to see the posts from the community as it has been removed, but the comments in that community from you point to the possibility that it was inflammatory.

A response from an instance moderator should help clarify the reasoning though.

[–] Melpomene@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From their desktop site:

Questions/issues can be posted [to https://lemmy.world/c/support] or emailed to info@lemmy.world.

I'd start there versus putting them on blast here.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] PriorProject@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is not a bad community to ask this question in, but the admins seem to watch !moderators@lemmy.world more closely (several admins are actually mods of that community), you might have a better chance crossposting this there... and as a mod with a policy question this seems on-topic there to me.

At-mentioning an admin is often not helpful, I've seen them say repeatedly that they get flooded with useless mentions and can't keep up. There's also an email to reach them, but I forget what it is.

[–] HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Good idea. Cross-posted!

[–] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !support@lemmy.world

[–] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !support@lemmy.world, !support@lemmy.world

[–] seandizzle@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

This makes me like Lemmy world even more. Go team!

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Misogyny is not welcome here. This instance is Europe based and that crap won't fly here.

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

This instance is ~~Europe~~ based and that crap won't fly here.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Poland would like a word

[–] burrp@burrp.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Server owners have discretion over community creation and federation. If you create your own instance, you're totally free to have whatever communities you like.

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like you created your own instance, do you know of a guide for what that entails and the requirements for doing so? I doubt I do it but would be interesting to look into.

[–] burrp@burrp.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible

I'm unaware of hardware requirements, but specs will entirely depend on how many users and communities (local and federated) an instance has. I'm running on a very small VPS with no current desire to add users.

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks!

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This seems like a good spot to ask: is there a way to follow a post and get updates?

This seems like it might end up being an interesting conversation.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seconded. I'm personally bookmarking then popping back later 😅

[–] Schmedes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yep, this is my Lemmy request for "how do I get my popcorn ready?"

[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, here's the thing. lemmy.world is hosted by someone that wants to host Lemmy on their own infra. Someone is choosing to serve it out of their own good will. You created a very controversial community, and the person hosting the instance didn't want it to be on the server. That's all there is to it.

This is the same thing as being racist at someone's dinner party and getting kicked out for it. You're not entitled to run a community at a place that isn't yours. But that's the neat part: Lemmy is open source and federated. You can create your own Lemmy instance that is your own and be as anti-women on there as you want. Maybe some other like-minded servers will even want to federate with you.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It is of course the right of the lemmy.world to run their instance any way they want.

But they owe it to the community to communicate clearly who is welcome on their server. The sidebar reads:

The World's Internet Frontpage

Lemmy.world is a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use.

That certainly makes it sound like they’re trying to be a default neutral lemmy instance welcoming of every valid discussion topic from every end of the political spectrum. A Reddit replacement. Reddit allows right wing discussion.

Whatever their intent, they could at least respond to this discussion.

I don’t agree with your pithy “that’s all there is to it”

[–] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !prolife@lemmy.world

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I am firmly pro-choice, but I don’t think pro-life voices should be deplatformed, unless they were inciting violence. Deplatforming nazis is one thing, but this isn’t that. Deplatforming prolife communities is basically banning large parts of Christianity, including Catholicism.

I was unaware that one had to pass a political purity test in order to participate in lemmy.world. If that is the case, i will probably look to move on to a different instance unless an admin can give a legit reason for this banning.

I don’t want to take a political purity test to be here, even if it’s one I’m sure I would pass.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I was an instance admin, I would prefer the community be called AntiAbortion, rather than ProLife or ForcedBirthers tbh, the latter two names are more likely to piss people off vs the first one.

Same could be said for ProAbortion or ProChoice, but due to my bias I don't see anything wrong with those names - although I acknowledge it could upset some religious denominations, and of course those who oppose that stance

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Everyone has the right to self identify. “Pro life” is the name the movement chose for itself.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Pro-life is inherently violent because they force wwn to carry nonviable pregnancies to term.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I chose lemmy.world because their listing on join-lemmy.org called it “the worlds internet frontpage”. I thought it would be a good neutral Reddit replacement. If this is not the case, can anyone recommend one that is? What about lemmy.one?

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy.one is run by the guy who runs privacy guides.org. That being said, if you look at the small list of communities he created, I guarantee that he won't allow any conservative views there either. There's one privacy community and 4 or 5 alternative lifestyle communities.

Better off making your own instance at this point. Most of Lemmy is liberal/left wing regardless of what their sidebars say.

[–] ziggurism@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’m a little annoyed by the implication that someone who is liberal or left wing wouldn’t allow conservatives on a discussion forum.

Free speech is a core part of liberalism.

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