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Interesting
I’m already noticing “cultural” differences between the different instances, almost like they’re virtual countries with their own traditions, but still able to see and talk to each other
It’s beautifully chaotic and open, like the Internet should be!
Yup. that's kinda how it feels to me. I saw someone describe it as lemmy is america and the lemmy instances are the states. and then kbin is canada lol.
America isn't run by tankies.
It is if you ask a Trumper/QAnoner.
okay this is just funny. idk why all the right-wing republican types think people like biden are full on tankies lol. its just silly.
Trump/QAnon is all about checking out from reality.
Is Lemmy? That would explain some things
the main official lemmy.ml instance and the development of the lemmy software is indeed run by tankies. other lemmy instances may or may not be tankies.
As an America currently browsing kbin from a Canadian bar I like the analogy.
Guess I'm canadian then. Do you guys have some maple syrup?
No, but we got some Timbits over here, eh?
your username ironically really proves the point. Just a few moments ago I saw beehaw users talking about how they're strictly against loli content (declaring it "illegal" even though that's not quite true), and here you are on kbin with it in your username lol.
I saw beehaw users talking about how they're strictly against loli content (declaring it "illegal" even though that's not quite true)
Ehhhh. Depends upon the specifics and the geographical region where someone is. Not like there's one global law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors
I like that image
I love this and am glad I'm based on Kbin.
kbin is canada
confused lemmy.ca noises
lemmy.ca? I see you're from california.
Lemmy is given me a bad taste so I turned off federation. Hopefully the ability to block instances will become native to Kbin soon and I can turn federation back on.
We told you they are crazy. We told you it wouldn't work. Yes, the numbers are shiny on the other side but they are crazy. Start building here instead.
Hi, I’m replying from Lemmy.
It could be the communities (magazines) I’m in, but I haven’t seen anything acting that way (with the exception of some instance overloads that caused federation issues during the first wave of Rexxit earlier this week).
I can’t say if maybe there are some issues in certain communities where that’s happening.
Haha Rexxit! I love that!
As a Brit I feel triggered :(
tbh rexxit is kinda as much of a mess as brexit
Replying from Lemmy. 👋 Not the norm over here either. I wonder if there is just some weird sync issue happening?
Lemmy communities have public Mod Logs so even if a thread was removed I don't think it's gone forever.
Interesting. A few threads (from lemmy instances and beehaw) just ended up showing up as "removed" when I tried going to them. I figured the mods there removed it for whatever reason.
on kbin entire thread removals on that basically haven't happened since I've been here, and moderation is pretty light as a whole (either due to the admin being very busy, or just the culture). I had heard lemmy.ml is pretty heavy on the censoring/removals so I figured it was that. I know beehaw has a weird culture thing as well that sounds like they'd be pretty quick to remove stuff that is "off-brand".
Lemmy has public mod logs if you're ever curious
So does kbin modlog
I just looked and sure enough:
alyaza has removed thread by pillarist - Reddit CEO assures employees that API pricing protests haven’t hurt revenue
that's a beehaw thread posted in technology@beehaw.org. This is the sorta thing I mean lol. Like what an odd thing to remove? Surely it's a fitting topic for a technology group?
Beehaw has strict instance-wide moderation policies (which don't really work in a federated model tbh, but they haven't seemed to realize as such yet).
Beehaw's trying to funnel Reddit-related stories into a single megathread. However, if people aren't subscribed to that community on their instance, they don't see the megathread and don't know to post in it.
Simply put - while Beehaw is a nice place, their moderation style is at odds with much of the fediverse. I wouldn't be surprised if Beehaw started defederating fairly broadly to prevent users from other instances coming in to their communities without respecting their rules and standards.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see Beehaw remove themselves from federation entirely, since they very much want to be their own thing.
Just saw the Beehaw has defederated from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. so you seem spot on in your assessment.
Could be a repost? I haven't checked the community to be sure, but I know I've seen that same news link posted all over the place.
actually I just found out what's up. beehaw is completely defederating from lemmy instances. which probably explains why they removed the threads (made by lemmy users).
Do you know why? That's pretty wild. ETA: I see the answer in a Beehaw post below. Makes sense. I've never modded anything but I imagine federating with other popular instances with only 4 mods would be overwhelming.
Yup. So beehaw is a pretty closed site with strict moderation. They're trying to keep a particular tone and style for users and content (think safe space). Lemmy, in contrast, is open for sign-ups, and just had a ton of ex-redditors coming in with a very different culture, tone, way of interacting, etc. Since there's so many Lemmy users now, beehaws moderators couldn't keep up (there's only four of them apparently), so they defederated.
Like what an odd thing to remove?
Not sure if this link will work—or if it's relevant to the specific mod action you quoted—but that same mod put up a thread with some context around the purging you were talking about.
I think they had a megathread on all Reddit news over there. It would explain why they removed individual threads on the matter.
Ooh, thank you!
So from a quick skim there, most of those are actually not kbin mods. I'm still wrapping my head around the fediverse lol, but that modlog is actually from everyone not just kbin and I guess that's on purpose!
Yeah the linked modlog shows the mod actions from all the instances apparently, not just us on kbin. It might still be useful to see just the kbin modlog, which is probably on the to-do.
I'll have to look into it :)
When Stalinists are running the main Lemmy instances, it should not be surprising if history undergoes sudden and frequent changes there.
There's an entire book on this predilection of Stalinism: "The Commissar Vanishes: The Falsification of Photographs and Art in Stalin's Russia" (1997), by David King.
More mundanely, posters on the main Lemmy instances should already have seen that if anyone mentions oppression by certain states, e.g. the systematic oppression of certain minorities, this will ironically be labeled as "racism." The racism of genocide denial is a Stalinist's bread and butter, and will never result in deletions or bans.
Hello from Lemmy!
Beehaw definitely had its own standard they try to uphold. Just means choosing your instance is important to your experience.
Yup. Choosing an instance is quite important, but also difficult to actually do when you're new to the platform. kinda a catch-22. it's hard to tell which instance you're a good "fit" for before you start using the fediverse, and once you're on the fediverse you already have an instance.
There really should be a guide or something showing the largest instances, what their ethos/views are towards the fediverse, etc. Beehaw makes this pretty clear and have written several posts on it. But outside of just going to beehaw and looking at that, there's not really a way to know.
It's easy enough to get the vibe of users from an instance by interacting with them a bit, but that implies you're already on the fediverse.
For sure. It would be interesting if a method to migrate instances was built into the backend of lemmy, but this could potentially cause a lot of headache for instance owners as well. Probably not in the cards, but would solve this problem for sure.