this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

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r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

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Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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[–] seathru@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok Texas, I can't drive through without seeing at least a dozen bumper stickers advocating death to pedophiles. Put your money where your mouth is.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's just the PC way of saying death to gays but they gotta lie about us first to make it more palatible. They give 0 shits about kids and never have

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

No way, I'm sure they love kids!

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's why red states tend to have lower ages of consent.

[–] hiddengoat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Weird. I live here and have literally never seen one.

[–] seathru@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I probably pay too much attention to people's vehicular social media posts. It's like reading soap bottles while on the commode.

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Get stuck in traffic more and buy a gun

[–] hiddengoat@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I spent three hours driving fifteen miles through Austin last weekend. Do not talk to me about traffic. I am become traffic, destroyer of road trip timetables.

[–] Starzil@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This sickens me and it doesn’t even surprise me either which is telling…

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's some insanely quick processing time, too! I was once picked up and just getting processed took an hour! Once the bail bondsman posted my bail they STILL made me sit an hour before finally deciding to let me out.

What kind of privileged BS is this? And mine was a misdemeanor!

[–] TommySalami@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I did some clinical rotations at a correctional facility, and holy shit I did not realize how long processing took some people (30 min is insanely short). I was in a pretty calm city, and there were people there still in the waiting area from the day before consistently who the officers would come down on hard if they dared show frustration. Usually low-level non-violent crimes (there's always like 3-4 people a shift who can do nothing but gossip about those being processed. Most were possession or DUI in my time there), and always just the absolute bare minimum work from the prison staff. No officer I met gave a single shit about picking up the pace when it was needed, and they certainly didn't give a shit about the people being processed. It felt like it was being run by highschool bullies. The final straw was watching a doctor argue for far to long about how they absolutely had to send a seizing patient to the hospital, regardless of the fact he went last week.

My short time there convinced me there was nothing I could do as a single nurse in a facility like that, it's already rotted through.

God Damn!

Like, that’s all I got here. Is just God Damn it!

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Well, it's Texas, after all. Why would anybody be surprised? The same happens when they shoot someone, especially a person of color.