I guess France's state position is pro-apartheid and in support of multi-decade ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, then. Which, you know... tell me some thing new :(
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The good news is that people in the world, as a whole, seem to be viewing this differently now than in the past. It’s the governments more than anything that are calling for blood. This suggests to me that the next generation of leaders might behave differently.
Until the next generation of leaders ends up sharing the same class interests as the old. It's not an accident that all the western leaders are pro colonial project and pro genocide. Crushing and exploiting the global south is absolutely required for the continued functioning of the western hegemony and the enrichment of its elites.
I really do believe that Gen Z is different, though. People are people and there is a variety of opinion out there, but as a whole, they really feel different to me. They aren't looking at the world through greedy and materialistic eyes the way previous living generations did.
I’d noticed the same and was pleasantly surprised.
When this all broke out one my first thoughts was whether the post 9/11 experience would provide some balance in the west that would otherwise have been lacking. I feel like that might be true to an extent.
Even the national public news here is now posting fairly balanced articles and certainly doesn't toe our government's "pro israel no matter what" line. I was pleasantly surprised.
The french government just actively trying to get people to riot lol
Fuck France and their bed bugs anyway.
You know, I often raise an eyebrow when Lemmy jumps straight to the "this action is directly fueled by racism!" Argument, but... well, this time I completely agree.
The basis of this ban, as far as I can gather, goes like this:
- Terrorism is bad, so pro-terrorist demonstrations are banned
- Palestine deliberately targetted & killed civilians in an ongoing, messy conflict
- Ergo, Palestine demonstrations are now banned
That third link in the chain of logic is what bothers me about what's happening in France. Targetted mass killing of civilians during war is detestable... but it's not terrorism. Calling Palestine a terrorist state on that basis is a double-standard -- one which I can only conclude is driven by the fear of what Palestinians believe & look like.
Exactly, by that basis pro-Israeli protests should be banned too. They've done the exact same shit.
Can't wait for all the Israeli apologists to come in here and act like Israel doesn't purposely target civilian buildings with the excuse of "Hamas was hiding in there" while providing no proof and haven't done it a countless number of times.
It's not that Hamas isn't a horrible organization, it's that people act like Israelis haven't also done horrible shit and committed war crimes. While also conflating Hamas with all Palestinians but going out of their way to separate the Israeli people from their government and Nehtanyahu.
France's position from the very beginning has been pro-genocide/apartheid. They were always a smaller brother of the giant coloniser Britain.