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Former soldier searched Google, Reddit for spying tips, prosecutors say — Investigators say they found a document on the man's computer titled: “Important Information to Share with Chinese Governme...::A document titled “Important Information to Share with Chinese Government" was allegedly found on the former soldier's computer.

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[–] panja@lemmy.world 119 points 1 year ago (5 children)

“Important Information to Share with Chinese Government"

I'm not a conspiracy person but does this not reek of a setup? 😂 Like surely someone spying for the chinese government wouldn't just title a document that...

[–] vector_zero@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd be surprised how inept some people can be. Back when I worked in defense, we heard a story about a guy who, while preparing to exfiltrate sensitive data, named the file "data_to_exfiltrate.zip". What a moron.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah.. Or setups just go past your nose often.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

I don't believe them as long as they don't find copies oft "Sims 3" too.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://www.justice.gov/media/1318381/dl?inline

Here's the link the the FBI's released on the topic. If this was a set up the FBI is as bad at espionage as Schmidt was. He literally offered to commit treason for China via his normal gmail, with his real name attached, that was given to the US army by himself.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

but then again this could easily be used to reason why the nsa 'needs' to spy on every citizen ever, else some 2¢ wannabe treasonist will make america 'not great'

[–] Synnr@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you have proper full disk encryption and know the caveats, it really doesn't matter what you name your files. If you're the anal-retentive spy handler type, you are probably very organized, and you name files with exactly what's in them.

He was a spy handler who handled secret and top secret documents and worked in intelligence for a number of years. I'm sure he knew how to encrypt his hard drive.

He may have even used a VPN, or tor for the searches which has (had?) a very curious ongoing network-wide DDoS attack (very useful if you had access to the entire inflow and outflow of the Internet via undersea cables and ISP access and wanted to do timing attacks) for at least a year in 2022-2023. The tor project themselves tell you that if your adversary is a nation-state, you need to use more protection than just browsing from your normal laptop on your home network.

I imagine he at minimum used private browsing to search Google and reddit for this stuff, but they logged the search and the DoD was later able to easily get the customer details of the IP from his ISP at the time the searches took place, and also all other searches during a time.

But it's also just as likely he thought he'd be in the clear, knows how incompetent the beurocracy seems since he was inside of it, but something he did tipped them off and he was scrutinized (maybe his VISA application for China and plans to travel there yearly).

This seems like a weird way to set someone up... Setups are much more rare than the movies would have you believe.

I'm mostly concerned with the lack of details about whether he did or did not successfully give China those details... He was arrested at the San Francisco airport coming back from China... asset info, meeting places, etc, of even just a few known spies can potentially give the adversary a pattern to look for to find other unknown assets. I forget exactly when, where, or who, but there was some massive spy bust (either Russians in US or US in Russia, iirc) that happened because of some pattern they found between the registered addresses of the spies... Something about them all living in the same apartment building, or the numbers in the building or something. If anyone remembers the story please link it here.

[–] ink@r.nf 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For a populace that's dumb enough to elect a con man as a president, eat horse dewormers, you don't really have to make it any more complicated when you want to frame someone. Most of them don't even have reading comprehension of a 6 grader.

"look there, aliens"

"yeehaw, alien hunting time"

"look there, WMD"

"Sign me up, war crime time"

Rest of them

"Thank you for your service"

[–] 0xb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Remember Jack the Dripper?

[–] FractalShoggoth@lemm.ee 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What an amateur. Did he even try using the War Thunder forums?

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Please, people, stop betraying your country to argue on the internet.

_ some disillusioned forum moderator

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 78 points 1 year ago

He will get sentenced more swiftly than an ex president who actually stole classified material and shared it with foreign heads of government.

[–] xeddyx@lemmy.nz 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] Nekobambam@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] valkyre09@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Tbh it’s the biggest reason I haven’t started spying for other governments. Kids are expensive.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Schmidt studied Mandarin and was a spy handler, performing surveillance, interrogation and advanced psychological operation strategies

The saddest part is that a person in his position didn't even have the knowledge to not link his treason Gmail account to his day to day Gmail account.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Gmail account 1 was subscribed to in the name of “Joe Schmidt.” In January 2018 and April 2019, SCHMIDT provided Gmail account 1 to the Army as his email address. Gmail account 1 also has a Google account associated with it. Gmail account 2 was subscribed to in the name of “Joey Schmidt” and lists Gmail account 1 as the recovery email address for the account. According to records obtained from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, SCHMIDT used Gmail account 2 to make travel reservations for his trips to the PRC

It's literally worse his (Joseph Schmidt) alias was Joey Schmidt. Then from the email the army has on record as being him he does this:

SCHMIDT used Gmail account 1 to send the following email to the pubic email address for the Chinese Consulate in Istanbul: Hello, My name is Joe Schmidt. I am a United States citizen looking to move to China. I currently reside in Istanbul, and am trying to set up an appointment at the consulate in Istanbul. I also am trying to share information I learned during my career as an interrogator with the Chinese government.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "Important Information to Share with Chinese Government" folder on my own drive just contains my angry reviews of cheap crap from Amazon that didn't work as advertised.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"information to absolutely under no circumstance share with the Chinese government...

Or people that like broccoli."

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The spies that are this stupid are the ones that get caught.

[–] unreachable@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

James Bond in the nutshell

[–] Deiv@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

In the nutshell? How'd he fit in there?!

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not the best of hackers tbh

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 6 points 1 year ago

Not sure he wanted to be a hacker, but saddest excuse for a spy in any case.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh man, that reminds me that I have a file called:

"File that would make any government super powerful, has a dead man switch, and I take bribes."

I hope no one finds out about it.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Wait, you have one too? Crap

[–] stown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That's like putting all your porn in a desktop folder labeled "Sexually Explicit Images"

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel this dude's recruiter was behind his quota and helped him fudged his ASVAB, or got him a waiver for the fact that his IQ is only double digits.

[–] Silinde@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Approximately half the people in the world have an IQ in the double digit range. IQ literally has its mean at 100 for a given population. I don't think I understand what you're getting at there.

[–] HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

The number of state actors in big tech is a big deal - Saudis, Isreal, and China and India of course!