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Apollo can't afford Reddit's fees and will be subject to auto-refund for shutting down, so users can help by declining the refund.

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[–] JshKlsn@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Reddit is going crazy because they are calling him a millionaire. I'm sorry, but making a million dollars over the past decade makes him paid less than a regular developer, and 1 million dollars can't even buy you a crack shack in Canada.

Remember, Canada is the most expensive place to live. We have the most expensive housing and internet/data plans in the entire world.

Think logically. Don't think like childish Redditors.

[–] xyzinferno@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, Redditors are now bandwagoning on this slander too? I just figured it was a bullshit claim that u/spez made that the rest of the Reddit community saw through and weren't buying.

If there actually is a large number of people actually believing this shit, then my already rock-bottom hope for Reddit has somehow plummeted further.

[–] Cheezi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Every reddit thread about Apollo is filled with hate against Apollo and christian.

The message that's being repeated is that he's made millions of the poor backs of reddit and should be ashamed for taking advantage of the free api. Him asking to decline the refund is a scam/fraud to squeeze the last money he can from his poor users.

I would not be surprised to find out that the posts comes from bot farms or spez himself.

Dude, it's the internet. People are dumb by default around here. (Me very well included.)

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Millionaire absolutely doesn't mean what it did 30-40 years ago, too. Billionaire is a bit excessively high and isn't quite comparable to what millionaire used to be, and while of course most people have way less due to how the economy works, having a net worth of 1 million isn't a huge hurdle these days. We need a word for 100-millionaire. I'm sure Selig is not a 100-millionaire.

[–] colonial@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the bright side, having Apollo on his resume should make landing a good dev job (assuming he didn't have one already) pretty easy.

He still shouldn't be on the hook for $250k though.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

They will still ask him to invert a binary tree, just to be sure he can code

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

[re-ordered slightly for coherence: c.f. the original post for the original order]

Remember, Canada is the most expensive place to live.

and 1 million dollars can’t even buy you a crack shack in Canada.

Last I heard Winnipeg was part of Canada, and I'm seeing quite a lot of nice, sizable homes under a million dollars.

Oh, you mean specific cities in Canada? That leads us to this then:

No Canadian city made it into this top ten list.

None made it into this top ten list either.

We have the most expensive housing and internet/data plans in the entire world.

OK, let's look at internet plans.

(Source)

Oops. Not only does Canada have nowhere near the most expensive Internet access, it's near the BOTTOM of costs relative to income worldwide!

[–] Flemmy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here's the other thing - he's maybe a millionaire, not a billionaire. That's middle class, maybe upper middle class if he's got other income

This is a normal person who just lost his job with little notice because of a greedy company, and, to add insult to injury, now has to come up with money for refunds out of the blue

I know I wouldn't feel good taking back that money, whether he can afford it or not

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Strange understanding of middle class right there, that includes the top 5% of US American population.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He's not wrong. The owning class, the billionaires, are so ridiculously farther ahead that it makes millionaires middle class.

And this is why we need to tax them out of existence.

"Make Millionaires 'Rich' Again"

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That may be as it is, but that does not make the richest 5% of any population middle class.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It absolutely does when 90% of the wealth is grouped in the top one or two percent.

The difference between a millionaire and a homeless person is tiny compared to the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire.

[–] Chobbes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wouldn't the middle class be centered around the median, which would be completely unaffected by extreme outliers (such as the top 5%)?

I agree with the sentiment that the difference between a billion and a million is about a billion and all, and I'm not sure how things are actually defined... But I would think that it would make sense to use median income (instead of mean income) to determine what the "middle" class is precisely to avoid skew from outliers.

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[–] Tag365@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Millionaires are only middle class now? What?

[–] paciencia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years. That's how far income inequality has come. So yes, millionaires are middle class. I know so many people that think they are well off but are stupidly poor when compared to the top 1%

[–] SenorSimpai@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 million dollars over the last decade is 100k a year. That's top 18% not top 5%. Top 5% would be over 350k a year. I'm just basing this off random Google stats so the numbers may shift a little but 100k is definitely upper middle class at best

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

A millionaire is a person who’s net worth is a million or more. As you noted that’s quite different from having had paychecks that sum up to a million.

[–] Mayoman68@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Millionaires are definitely still well off but just to make a point: the average value of a US house is $450k. Add to this a $250k retirement fund and you're already up to 0.7M in net worth.

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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Are there really people who thought that a software dev who spends his time making a reddit app would be a billionaire?

[–] spaghetti_carbanana@krabb.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn’t say how to decline it in that article, will it just pop up after the shutdown date?

[–] pampoon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You should be prompted when opening after updating to the latest version.

[–] SoPunny@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I’m so glad there are still decent people who try to do the right thing. Then there are the people who run Reddit.

[–] mr_robot@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I just updated but there was no prompt for this, only the wallpaper prompt

Update: I checked the Apollo sub and apparently many lifetime plan users don't have the option to decline the refund. That's a shame... Hope they fix it soon or I'll just leave a tip tomorrow

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could be wrong, but my understanding was it's only for monthly plans. I don't think there are any automatic refunds for lifetime subscribers

[–] mr_robot@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah that definitely makes sense. Thank you! I didn't remember there was a monthly subscription option and thought everyone bought one time because I got mine super early on

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 2 points 1 year ago

Good wallpapers, though

[–] LordXenu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Did not get any other pop-ups after making a donation. Hopefully it will show up at some point.

[–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is hearbreaking news - and I'm a little shocked to realise that the creators of Apollo can't simply walk away from the app which got scuttled (or, more likely, actively sabotaged by deliberately extreme Reddit attack).

They should be able to take this to court to redirect the affected people to claim their refund from Reddit.

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[–] razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am a bit confused about this. I paid a one time fee to Apollo for features but I would not expect him to refund that. I re-downloaded the app (deleted it 3 weeks ago when I left Reddit) and did not see the option to opt out of a refund. I want to make sure that Christian does not have to pay out for me.

[–] Garblegork@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the refund is for people who paid for a yearly subscription. Those people will get a refund for approximately half the price they paid because they only got to use the app for half a year.

[–] _s10e@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Which is a sensible policy, generally speaking.

[–] ezekiel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It is only for the subscriptions that are still active and the refund is for the portion last July 1st

[–] minorsecond@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still haven’t seen this option appear anywhere.

[–] EeeDawg101@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was made available in the update that was released today. So you’ll need to update the app and then when you launch it after the update you should be presented with it.

[–] minorsecond@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have the latest, but that never appeared. I tooted at Christian on Mastodon about it. We'll see if he responds.

[–] EeeDawg101@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao is “toot” the equivalent of “tweet” on mastodon?

[–] minorsecond@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, which is unfortunate is you’re American.

[–] EeeDawg101@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] minorsecond@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Toot” to Americans is another word for fart. I believe they use toot because it fits in with the Mastodon animal theme. Which makes sense. But when the whole twitter migration started, it was off-putting to a lot of people.

[–] EeeDawg101@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ohh I gotcha! Lol that’s funny. I haven’t really checked out mastodon yet so am out of the loop

[–] minorsecond@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try it out! It has taken off pretty well. Lots of big names from Twitter have moved over.

[–] EeeDawg101@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I sure will. Are there any good apps for it yet? Or just web based for now?

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[–] Gorbachof@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Help with what?

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