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[–] mellejwz@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Windows only updates the bootloader, it doesn't touch Linux partitions. After an update you just have to fix the bootloader again which isn't too hard if you know how it works.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd argue one shouldn't even be messing with dual booting if they don't understand much about the bootloader.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My counterpoint would be how does one best learn about anything if not by messing with it

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[–] SaintNewts@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I really hate that Windows does this. Which is why when I decide to switch a machine to Linux it's the only OS allowed to boot to bare metal. Windows can go in a VM and suck it.

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Not sure why, but your comment made me think about the first machine I switched to Linux. It was a laptop who's fan eventually had a bad bearing and needed to be replaced. Luckily it was still under warranty, so I sent the laptop in to get the fan replaced, and received my laptop back with Windows installed on it... I was so livid.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never send them the drive.

They are probably required to boot to the desktop for qa

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yup, exactly what they said. But I didn't know any better at the time. These days I would just fix that myself rather than send it to them

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a once in a lifetime thing lol, but it's better to put that out on the off chance someone reading it may have to send one in.

I hate to say it, but unless they're corporate machines or you put it together yourself, computers are basically disposable these days.

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, that is really sad. I'm actually due for a new laptop soon, I'm just very thankful that Framework exists now.

[–] SaintNewts@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Had something similar happen to me. Something unrelated to the OS or hard drive and they reformatted my drive and I lost everything. I was ballistic when I found that one out.

[–] YIj54yALOJxEsY20eU@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

That pissed me off

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Depending on your configuration, you can pass a gpu to your Windows VM so you don’t even lose any performance if you use Windows for gaming. All you need is an iGPU and a few extra cores/ram to handle the host overhead.

[–] oldGregg@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Get a separate disk for windows and you can set up your windows VM to also optionally dual boot into it

[–] AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id 1 points 11 months ago

That's the way to go

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

What about stop making bullshit posts? Windows have never did that to me, and there's no reason why would it touch any partition aside from its own and (if it exists) the Windows boot one.

That said, It MIGHT replace MBR boot record but I don't know if that's very likely these days. I remember upgrading from Windows 8 to 10 and Windows left my MBR alone, and I was able to boot to GRUB just fine.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you install Linux first and then Windows on the same drive, it will fuck up your bootloader.

You can easily make Grub boot Windows, so just overwrite whatever fuckup Windows made, or install Windows first.

It won't happen with a simple update, though, that's for sure. Maybe if you're upgrading Windows to a new major release.

[–] kevinbacon@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Noooo, not the heckin windorinos, s-stop bullying the multibillion dollar company g-guys ;-;

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Inventing FUD is a bad look regardless of if you're punching up or punching down. It's not about who the target is. It's that FUD is inherently dishonest, and being dishonest reflects poorly on your character.

The Linux community should try to be better than that. We shouldn't stoop to Microsoft's old level.

Admittedly, I haven't set up a dual booted Linux machine in about a decade, so I don't know if it's gotten dramatically worse.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never happened to me. Like ever. And I've been on Linux (with occasional dual-booting whenever I'm in a position where I need windows--) for like 15 years now?

To be honest a lot of stuff people talk about seems to not happen to me and I think I might be exceedingly lucky or smth.

[–] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Same. Never happened to me either. But I usually make a sperate UEFI partition for Linux instead of relying on grub.

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[–] robert@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just protect bios/uefi with password and windows won't be able to modify any other EFI entry. It worked when i've dual-booted, it should still work.

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How can I do that? I'm dual booting but was not aware of this, makes me a little nervous....

[–] robert@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No need to worry, it's in your BIOS under security section. You can check if you set correct one by trying to change boot device: if there's password prompt, you're now safe from windows update "repair".

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

All right I'll do that, thanks!

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 11 months ago

Good meme, I like it. Windows blows. :)

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dual booting < having two separate SSD's

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They still need to share an EFI partition

[–] MouseWithBeer@iusearchlinux.fyi 2 points 11 months ago

If you don't want to bother with the bootloader like the other comment mentioned you can also just use the boot menu from the motherboard instead. You gotta mash f11 (or whatever it is on your motherboard) on boot when you want to go into Windows, but if you only need it every once in a while it is good enough.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What's actually happening here is Windows is setting its bootloader first in your EFI when it gets updated. Linux isn't gone, you just have to press the "boot another drive" button and boot to it, or go into your EFI setup and switch the bootloader back to the Linux one.

Linuxes do the same thing when updating their bootloader.

Note for the Ackshually crowd: If you're still booting MBR (which comes with the partition eating risk on dual boots) you have a system that is older than Windows 8 - 11+ years old, so eating the MBR is something you'll have to deal with unconventionally, as all modern systems, OS, and hardware expect you to be using EFI.

[–] Yttra@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Happened to me two weeks ago, not necessarily because of an update, but because of the restart

It saw my entire btrfs distro install on a separate drive as "corrupt", and ran a chkdsk while I was away. Now GRUB shows all my installs but can't boot them anymore.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Boot into Linux using a USB, and fix your boot partition from there.

[–] AppleMango@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And this is why you should install windows to a docker container on your server and not let it touch anything else. Link to GitHub repo.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The last time windows tried to update, it froze and when i rebooted my laptop, windows broke

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

In my case it wasn't the boot entry being removed. It actually ate the partition. When installing Linux Mint, I resized the Windows partition in Linux. Then I noticed that Windows absolutely didn't recognize that change, and thought its partition is still as big as it used to. Then on a restart it hit me with the "Repairing drive C:" which killed the Linux partition leaving just something corrupted.
"Repairing"

[–] FlyingPiisami@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Have you tried first resizing the windows partition inside windows? That's what I did and my dual boot has stayed intact

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