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Things have gotten better and progress has been made from times past, it just seems worse now because we have more access to information. We've come far, and have further to go!

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[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The poverty rate stuff is pure bs. The world bank just lowered the stated official poverty line without actually improving living conditions.

https://www.jasonhickel.org/blog/2019/2/3/pinker-and-global-poverty

[–] Guildo@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

besides this, China did a huge job on getting people out of poverty - if you like or not

[–] calavera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't people like it?

[–] Guildo@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

because they hate china...

[–] calavera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe I'm too naive, but even if you hate a country for its economic and political choices, you can still be glad their working class population is getting out of poverty and It's not like they are getting richer by slaving a whole continent

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[–] ModsAreCopsACAB@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mass producing shit at inhuman factories with deaths by the millions. I guess you're not poor if you're just dead.

[–] Guildo@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look at the statistics. I am not lying. You can complain, but that are facts.

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (36 children)

What statistics? The one the CCP made up? Over a quarter of chinese are still in extreme poverty and a huge amount of chinese still have an income of under 1500 yuan a month.
Sure, they might have lifted some people out of poverty, but they also put them into poverty in the first place under mao. So celebrating this is kind of self congratulatory.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah, because they finally decided to adopt a free market model, and suddenly “starving people in China” was less of a thing.

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[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

the last two are easily debunked. I hate shit like this because it reinforces an idea that time = progress. There are influential and powerful people alive today who would reverse any of these trends if it meant money in their pocket.

[–] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

The extreme poverty one is laughable especially when criteria to define extreme poverty is ridiculous. Extreme poverty in places where you earn less than $1.90 but can still have subsistence farming and community doesn't make sense - also if living in San Francisco and earning $2/day isn't extreme poverty... I don't know what is.

Poverty shouldn't be tied to capital but to standards of living - that would be a completely different story.

[–] ansorca@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not like we don't still have problems to fix, but always only focusing on them doesn't show just how far we've come.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real problem with ignoring progress we’ve made is that it gives the false impression that what we’re doing is worthless, leading to demands to tear down everything we’re doing.

People are constantly clamoring to replace our systems with new ones “that actually work”. This is a result of being blind to the ways our current system works.

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