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Uber was supposed to help traffic. It didn’t. Robotaxis will be even worse (www.sfchronicle.com)
submitted 1 year ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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Our research was technically right, but we had not taken into account changes in human behavior. Cars are more convenient and comfortable than walking, buses and subways — and that is why they are so popular. Make them even cheaper through ride-sharing and people are coaxed away from those other forms of transit.

This dynamic became clear in the data a few years later: On average, ride-hailing trips generated far more traffic and 69% more carbon dioxide than the trips they displaced.

We were proud of our contribution to ride-sharing but dismayed to see the results of a 2018 study that found that Uber Pool was so cheap it increased overall city travel: For every mile of personal driving it removed, it added 2.6 miles of people who otherwise would have taken another mode of transportation.

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[–] loke@fedia.io 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Regardless of anything else, there are no circumstances under which companies like Uber would decrease traffic. This is because of two effects: Firstly, any regular car ride replaced with an Uber ride will result in more road-hours, since there is now a car travelling to your pickup point as well travelling on the road after dropping you off.

Secondly, the convenience of Uber can cause more travellers taking a car instead of public transport, again increasing the total number of road-hours.

Is there even a hypothetical scenario under which any of these private hire companies would reduce traffic? The only theoretical benefit is that less parking spaces are needed.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It was originally a ride share, so you'd get to work by ubering with someone driving that way, one less car, a slightly increased journey.

But it's just a taxi now.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where I live, Uber solved the getting home drunk problem.
Public transport isn't open at night.

[–] RageAgainstTheSurge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Public transit has been lacking in my city even before the pandemic. They are still paying off for a light rail system from a decade ago that they are not maintaining. Also all the ticket machines smell like piss, which should not be a surprised considering for years there's been some guy who has been urinating at almost all the station.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Everything that encourages someone to get in a car will make traffic worse.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Of course Uber wouldn't help traffic.

Robotaxis? Probably not. But autonomous vehicles that can communicate and drive as a group? Yes that will help. Then induced demand and all that, but it will increase capacity.

[–] Aidinthel@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

autonomous vehicles that can communicate and drive as a group

Is it time to reinvent the train again already?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, but wireless. And I think you mean horse.

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

We've seen time and time again that increased capacity doesn't actually help traffic.

Capacity just isn't the issue.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Robust public transportation will help a lot more. But go ahead and argue with the MIT scientists who wrote this article if you like. Their research seems to show you're wrong.

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

He literally agrees that they won’t magically help with traffic, what’re you talking about?