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[–] flamingos 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure capitulating to the far-right's framing and letting them control the narrative won't backfire in the slightest.

One MP said one of the main pieces of advice had been to identify projects local voters have long been asking for and to make sure they are delivered. McSweeney has told allies he helped defeat the British National party in east London 15 years ago in part by focusing on areas where previous local and national governments had promised infrastructure projects but failed to build them.

Thank god someone high up in Labour has a head on their shoulders. You defeat the far-right by making people's lives better.

[–] echodot 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Literally all Labour have to do is actually build HS2 it'll be a major victory for them in a major embarrassment for the opposition.

[–] echodot 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah because Reform really are nipping at Labours heels.

We don't need them to do what the conservators would do, otherwise there's no point. Anyway apart from anything else we already know that the conservative course of action doesn't work. We've had 16 years of evidence that it doesn't work.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don’t fuck up the next 4 years. It’s quite simple. Don’t drop the ball like America did.

Get the people to like you. Force the rights hand to acknowledge the good.

Shout from the rooftops that you’ve deported more people in 6 months than the tories did in 6 years. It’ll be hard to ignore them, and deformers can’t say there’s millions on boats coming in.

The popular tactic of trumps lot is to tell straight up lies constantly until it becomes truth. Illegal border crossing down year -on-year? Nah, there’s waves and waves of them coming in, at never before seen numbers. Everything is awful, only we can save you.

Etc etc. it pains me to see Labour fuck up the messaging in basically everything, and you get the knuckle draggers on social media with their “2 tier kier” and “frozen pensioners” and “stealing farms inheritance”. Might just emigrate and stop reading the news. Just so disappointed in…well everything.

It’s all just happening in slow motion before our very eyes and it seems no one is doing anything about it. The rise of popularist gaslighting fascism.

[–] slakemoth@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

The problem with this analysis is that it assumes Labour aren't just as racist as reform. They both are racist, neither actually want to stop immigrants. Both require migrants for cheap labour to keep the gravy coming. They represent different factions of capital.

Labour appealing to the right wing talking points isnt some cynical ploy to maintain power - its just what they think. No one who actually cares about immigrants would pander to those talking points.

[–] mannycalavera 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While Labour MPs discuss tactics to counter the threat of Reform, some are seeking lessons on combatting rightwing populists from outside the UK.

A small group is planning a trip to Germany in the coming weeks to find out what they can learn from the rise of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which is expected to perform well in the country’s election later this month.

Wut.....? Am I reading that correctly?

[–] RubberDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah is it a Labour group or Reform group?

[–] mannycalavera 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think I am reading this wrong. Late night drinking...

I think it's Labour travelling to Germany to see how best to deal with far right groups such as AfD in order to defeat them. As opposed to Labour travelling to Germany to try and learn lessons from AfD on how to appeal to right wingers and win seats.

[–] blackn1ght 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah I think this is it.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Go and fuck yourself.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hi, American democrat here.

Tell them to fuck themselves sideways.

You do not fight right-wing bigots by embracing just a little smidge of bigotry.

[–] echodot 3 points 2 days ago

The British conservatives reckon the way to beat the far right is to engage, not a little bit of bigotry, but an awful lot of bigotry. They seem think the reason they lost the last election is because they weren't fascist enough.