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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The people who create these services will always be more clever and quick to implement workarounds than politicians. It's a futile battle.

Want to avoid piracy? Make getting things easier and more convenient.

Back when Netflix was £5-10 depending on tier, had a load of content, and an account could be shared between a few trusted people, I practically gave up pirating. Now it's £18 per month for 4K (and due to rise), and doesn't have those other positives going for it, I've abandoned it in favour of Radarr+Sonarr+Plex, and am having a better experience.

For video games, I predominantly buy from Steam, because it's a good service, and so far I have not seen any evidence that Valve are going to fuck me over. They've made gaming and all the things ancillary to it a lot more convenient. So I happily pay. If they embrace enshittification, guess what I'll do?

The only games I do pirate are Nintendo/Sega games that haven't been sold in decades. Why? Because there's no feasible other way to buy them and keep them!

I don't pirate music because Spotify. For all the issues I have with it (and boy do I have a few), it still has almost every song I search for, is fairly priced, and hasn't clamped down on account sharing in the same way Netflix/Disney/etc have. I'm part of a family where we split the cost. All the music I could possibly want for £2.20 per month? Fine by me! If that goes away, I go away, yarr harr.

[–] Eagle0110@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not to mention Valve spearheaded major development for making Linux gaming like 200% better than it used to be, with development of Proton and everything, and giving all those work back to the entire gaming community as open source products entirely for free, bring in momentum for an entire industry.

That's a company you support.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I'm so fucking glad Valve isn't beholden to shareholders.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 208 points 2 days ago (13 children)

It is impossible to ban piracy. The whole concept is that it's not legal to begin with.

I bet Lars Ulrich is so proud that he killed music piracy back when he killed napster.

Except wait.....no he didn't he killed A service. Meaning singular. The concept of piracy moved on. We got limewire and torrents.

The ONLY thing that has slowed (if not stopped) music piracy is making the content readily and easily available in a convienent consumption method at a reasonable price.

Shocking, I know.

The invention of iTunes CHARGING money for music in a (at the time) new more convienent method of music consumption at a reasonable price did leaps and bounds more to destroy piracy than Napsters downfall ever could.

Now if only video services would learn this lession. Because it's the same lession. I don't know how they missed the memo on this.

Put your video in one centralized place. Make it hassle free to watch. Charge a reasonable price. Piracy dies overnight.

And just to prove it, show of hands. Who here would go through the effort and risk of pirating, if Netflix had everything you wanted to watch, for $5 a month? Who here would say no, and still pirate? Reply below and tell me if you would still pirate with those conditions?

But instead, netflix is pushing $20 a month, and the video hosting is fractured among multiple hosts, all of which overcharge, AND want to serve ads.

Oh hey, right on cue. It's a skull and bones flag approaching.

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Word... this is why I used spotify for a long time, when it used to be a good service... pirating wasn't worth the hassle.

now almost everything is worth the hassle

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would still pirate. I like to have the files instead of proprietary apps

[–] fangleone2526@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What if they gave you the files, with an easy download button ( with rate limits on downloads per user to avoid mass abuse )? Then, Netflix is basically providing a debrid service, which many people who pirate already pay more than 5$ for. Your VPN for torrenting is likely more than 5$. It's already trivially easy to rip a movie off a website ( even with DRM ), so this is not a real content control loss for them.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If they offered a service like GOG for movies I think it would be worth it. I don't have much time for movies though so I actually will buy several films a year on UHD Blu-ray. I only really pirate films that are either out of print or not available in my country on disc.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

I remember as kids we shared music by Bluetooth or copying files on a memory stick. You are not stopping that.

[–] QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

About 10 years ago, I signed up for a seedbox for torrenting purposes. USD 15/month, which was roughly the same as Netflix at the time. Since then, Netflix has repeatedly raised prices, dropped content, and added ads. On the other hand, I'm still paying $15/month for that seedbox, and they've upgraded my storage capacity and bandwidth allotment multiple times.

[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

Yep exactly.

They've pushed 6+ services now so it cost that cable used to so people are unsubbing and "cutting the cord" again

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[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 126 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

We only pirate TV because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again...

I used to be perfectly happy with Netflix and Google music + YouTube Red, but corporations were too greedy

I now use a mix of free Kodi TV, patched YouTube apps, rip music off tidal, and self host media on a lifetime premium Plex server.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As has often been reiterated: piracy is a service problem. If what you get by paying more is an inferior service, then people don’t want to pay for that service.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 28 points 2 days ago

100% true, haven't pirated a single game since I started using Steam and actually having a paycheck since about 10 years ago

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They don’t care. They don’t want to innovate, they want to force you to pay them for nothing in return.

[–] ookiiBoy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This falls under enshitification, no?

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

Why just pay one service a small fee for ad free streaming, when you can pay a lot of services a large fee for ad supported streaming?

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If you actually had a catch all service

I believe this used to be called cable tv.

But before you reply, yeah, I know cable didn't get everything. And you had to pay extra for Disney, HBO, etc. And on top of the exorbitant price there were always tons of commercials. That's all true.

But I do remember a time right around 2005, when everyone was saying "if only there were a-la-carte options, for people who only want sports, or only want movies". My point being, there's no winning and the grass is always greener somewhere.

And for what it's worth, I basically agree with you. I use Plex, I have a few friends who also run Plex servers and we all share content. That's the best catch all I've ever found.

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 256 points 2 days ago

"Effectively kill piracy" - Sure guys, this time it'll work.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Oh no!

Anyway.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 107 points 2 days ago

Yeah because pirates are notorious for giving up immediately when you make their jobs a little harder.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They already banned pornhub and pornographers. Fascists are going to fash.

MPA logo corrected

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm curious how effective those bans have been. Is free porn difficult to access in states that have added verification laws or has it only affected the larger players that get attention while the ones that most people don't usually think immediately of fly under the radar?

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 1 day ago

You hit the nail on the head, it's just the biggest sites

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[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Make something people want to buy. That will help more.

EDIT On the anime and manga. Quite a few Japanese companies don't or refuse to officially release stuff in the west. Most of the ones who do, get fucked with by bad localizers.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's crazy that Netflix originally knew this back in the 2010s. Somehow, over the years, they managed to forget this little nugget of wisdom.

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

They didn't forget, they simply became big enough they can act like every other corporation.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is dumb considering that these types of streaming sites are how I actually discover anime and become a fan enough that i want to purchase merch. I pay for Crunchy Roll, but sometimes I want to check out stuff from other services. If I had to rely sheerly on legal services I wouldn't watch or discover half of what I did.

Legal services are also pretty inferior. I wanted to watch A certain Scientific Railgun.. Season 1 was dubbed, but season 2 on the service wasn't... I literally had to track it down on some streaming site to get access to what I'm paying for.

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[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Sounds like their strategy is to force US companies to block access to piracy sites.

I already run my torrent client through a non-US VPN so this can literally be bypassed by adding this to my prowlarr docker compose:

network_mode: service:gluetun

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is why you run servers outside of five eye countries

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

Been sailing the seas since 98. No intention of stopping. One thing I can promise is that you can't stop it.

Pirates always...uh...find a way.

In fact, when streaming services came out and were super affordable, it actually became a bit harder to find pirated movies/shows because people actually opted for the legal option. If the government wants to pull this garbage, it'll just bring many back into the fold and make it easier for me to sail the seas.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I started using pirated software in 1990, back when my first PC was gifted to me. All software I had was copied because I could not afford jack shit on my own. It is thanks to pirated (and open source) software that I have the career I have, and can afford to spend thousands of dollars on legitimate software, music, movies, books, etc.

Provide product people want and prices they can afford, and they'll buy them rather than pirate them. Don't persecute consumers of pirated products and most of them will eventually purchase legally.

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's like Gabe said (paraphrased): "Piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem."

Make it easy to buy stuff and people will. But the more barriers you put up, the more people will pirate. Granted, there are persons like you (and I counted among those at one point) who cannot afford things from time-to-time, but we're a minority. Every game I've ever pirated from those days I have made sure to purchase once I was able to.

Make it available for easy purchase and people will buy it.

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[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But wouldn't that go against freedom of expression and the internet?

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[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 18 points 2 days ago

This is a huge deal.

More people should be fighting this.

Giving this much power to corporations isn't right.

If all else, copyright owners of any media should have the same power so they can effective end AI from stealing their content.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Aren't most torrent sites not based in the US to begin with?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

This is about foreign websites

It’s going after ISPs, Google, Cloudflare that allow access to them

Also it’s great to see the Democrats prioritizing this atm

[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

I am quite fond of Nyaa :3

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

There's a part of me that has become annoyed that i'm forced to pay for a vpn to now access the entirety of the internet. I don't blame the vpn provider, though. --Nope, they are not the ones I blame...

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